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Two things I hate!!!

1. Tar Snakes- They suck! Very shitty feeling having your front end almost wash out because of a 2 inch wide strip of tar. Around here there is no going around them they are everywhere sometimes it looks like they just did it for fun to kill time in their day.

2. Stone driveway run-off- Seriously If I wipe out because the shit from your driveway covers the fucking road I guarantee you I will be knocking on your door. Who is responsible for cleaning that shit up? Is it the township or the owner of the driveway of doom.

Luckily I am very aware when I ride. But seriously I should not have to worry about that sort of shit everytime I get on my bike.(I look out for it either way) but come on!!!!

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Tar snakes are bad. Just bad.

I'm always on the lookout for gravel washouts, especially after a hard rain.

One thing that gets on my nerves is the half paved lanes around here. Some idiot must have convinced somebody in government (imagine that) that only paving half a lane would save some money. It's scary to be on a two lane blacktop road with half of your lane at a different elevation than the other part.

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Almost as unsettling as those tar-snakes are grooved roads where they have hacked off the top layer of material in prep for a re-pave and open-steel deck bridges. I made the mistake of running up 33 North about a week ago - it has been ripped-up/grooved for about a month now - and the tires feel like they're going all over the place. Exact same feeling when crossing any of the those steel-deck bridges over the Delaware to Philipsburg, Stockton, Frenchtown, Lambertville, etc.

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It's scary to be on a two lane blacktop road with half of your lane at a different elevation than the other part.
Last year there were two guys killed on bikes in NJ at almost the exact same location a few days apart in a construction zone because one lane was so much lower than the other. The contractor and state are trying to say it was the cyclists' faults because they changed lanes on a solid white stripe - lawsuits are pending...

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around here or anywhere for that matter you got to watch for gravel in the twisties especially if there is a lot of truck traffic. Trucks cut corners and throw a lot of crap on the road from the shoulder. Sometimes you go up the road and it looks nice and clean and you are thinking about hitting it hard on the way back only to realize it's already full of crap

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I have to agree with both, and Especially the washout....

I was stationed in Okinawa and a lot next to my house washed out every time it rained, well this day it was raining and I come upon the "washout" and think OK bike straight and upright, handlebars squared up, aimed at the thinnest area of the washout and then BAMMMM I am on the ground because the front tire slid out to the right sideways. All of this happened at about 5-8 MPH

Now I am no novice rider, and I was a MSF Instructor at the time, but at least I was on the wifes bike at the time, and not mine.......still had to repair it though.......

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2. Stone driveway run-off- Seriously If I wipe out because the shit from your driveway covers the fucking road I guarantee you I will be knocking on your door. Who is responsible for cleaning that shit up? Is it the township or the owner of the driveway of doom.
Once it hits the street, the city or township should be sweeping up. It would be nice for the property owner to take care of it as a courtesy, but if they don't ride I doubt they care.

Or else they could be like my neighbors: They said cleaning up their dog's shit in my yard is part of having dogs in the neighborhood. Kinda one sided since mine doesn't go outside my yard and the other neighbors don't have dogs. Some people's idea of courtesy is f'ed up. I would suspect they'd think it's your responsibility if you don't like it.

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Tar snakes are a nuisance, but they don't normally bug me too badly. I hate the big white crosswalk sticker/stripes at every intersection. the uneven lane problem is worse imho because it can sneak up on you if you aren't really paying attention. it's not something you would normally be looking for and is sometimes hard to spot...edge traps like that are just bad juju.

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Once it hits the street, the city or township should be sweeping up. It would be nice for the property owner to take care of it as a courtesy, but if they don't ride I doubt they care.

Or else they could be like my neighbors: They said cleaning up their dog's shit in my yard is part of having dogs in the neighborhood. Kinda one sided since mine doesn't go outside my yard and the other neighbors don't have dogs. Some people's idea of courtesy is f'ed up. I would suspect they'd think it's your responsibility if you don't like it.
RESPONSIBILITY?

No one is responsible for themselves these days.........and the courts prove it everyday.

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Last year there were two guys killed on bikes in NJ at almost the exact same location a few days apart in a construction zone because one lane was so much lower than the other. The contractor and state are trying to say it was the cyclists' faults because they changed lanes on a solid white stripe - lawsuits are pending...
I believe it was I-295, one lane was ~2" lower than the other due to the contraction. But again, I don't feel too comfortable crossing that in my car. I wonder what made those bikers to attempt to cross it going 70-80 mph on the interstate.

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Paint cross walks and lane stripes. One city I work in has zero grit in the paint one drop of rain and it gets slipppery enough to slide my civic making a 5 mph left

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I believe it was I-295, one lane was ~2" lower than the other due to the contraction. But again, I don't feel too comfortable crossing that in my car. I wonder what made those bikers to attempt to cross it going 70-80 mph on the interstate.
Yes, it was I-295. They were killed eight hours and 500 yards apart. One accident was in the dark, so it might have been hard to judge how big the difference was. Heres the article:
Two motorcyclists die in separate accidents on same patch of Route 295 in Burlington County | - NJ.com

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Tar snakes in the cold/damp are a real treat. I don't mind gravel in the local corners so much as I am expecting it.

Grinding down the roads and re-surfacing bugs me also, I've seen manholes 4"+ poking out of the surface, if you tag one of those in the dark or the rain on a bike you're going to be in bad shape.

Grooved roads too but the don't seem as bad as the first ones I ran across years ago. Mesh bridges are still awful but thankfully seem to be rare now up here. A bike with wider tires always does better on those.

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Yes, it was I-295. They were killed eight hours and 500 yards apart. One accident was in the dark, so it might have been hard to judge how big the difference was. Heres the article:
Two motorcyclists die in separate accidents on same patch of Route 295 in Burlington County | - NJ.com
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Bureaucrat1: You can't ride a horse on the highway because your horse can't do 65MPH. You think NJ wants to wait behind you because you're living in a little bubble that extents to the tip of your fingers?
You make it sound like cars or trucks aren't dangerous...check your facts. There are more car accidents every year then motorcycle accidents.
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Once it hits the street, the city or township should be sweeping up.
lol guess you have never been to allentown. rocks are the least of your worries, township is busy dodging bullets

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HarleyNRS- it was not 2 soccor moms though,
it was 2 motorcycles, and motorcyles are very dangerous. If you are ejected off of a motorcycle at 65 and if you slam on your brakes strapped into a minivan there is a big difference.

I bet the one strapped into the minivan would not be on the street...

PS the horse thing was making a point,
old modes of transportation are not always safe on modern highways-

Thanks for the comment though,
I feel better knowing that someone like you
does not understand someone like me-
And though you may have been responsible enough to look at the surroundings, a lot of people are not, I feel for them and their families...
Its a bad circumstance, but I just feel that the few irresponsible motorcyclists are ruining it for us all, this will amount to a case against the state and the construction company that will end in a settlment

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We have a popular little stretch of windy road about 10 minutes from me. In the summer I call it "the quilt". Patchwork, half of the lane with 2 tarred surfaces, tar snakes, gravel, a real doozy to ride that bid of road. Yet, speeding is the root of all evil, not crap roads according to the authorities.

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Yet, speeding is the root of all evil, not crap roads according to the authorities.
it is the easiest cause to determine. Everyones speeds, everyone.
Municipalities use speed limits as a money making tool now.
We have this road, Garden State Parkway, 65mph. They made a research and found out which stretch is the busiest one and dropped speed limit there to 50mph. Or they created this thing called a safety corridor, every moving violation fine is doubled there. Some roads are nice, no schools or houses around and yet they dropped speed limits to like 35mph, what do you think, cop is sitting 1 mile into the zone. I saw a mailman getting a ticket there once

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it is the easiest cause to determine. Everyones speeds, everyone.
Municipalities use speed limits as a money making tool now.
We have this road, Garden State Parkway, 65mph. They made a research and found out which stretch is the busiest one and dropped speed limit there to 50mph. Or they created this thing called a safety corridor, every moving violation fine is doubled there. Some roads are nice, no schools or houses around and yet they dropped speed limits to like 35mph, what do you think, cop is sitting 1 mile into the zone. I saw a mailman getting a ticket there once
All that speeding kills’ rhetoric is BS. Stupid and inappropriate driving kills.

If they want to get real about safety, proper driver education is the way to go, as what they have in Germany, I believe. I was thinking about it on my ride into work today. Saw a few drivers scared stiff behind the wheel, white knuckles, etc, for no reason, just terrified of driving. The problem - to get a license al they need is to learn a set of traffic rules and to be able to demonstrate how to operate a vehicle to some extent that seems ok. The authorities believe that proper and advanced driver training will create overconfident people that will take chances. Have you ever heard such a load of crap?
So instead they dumb riders down, tell them that if they learn and stick to a set of road rules without thinking, they should be ok. So the whole system of is slanted and designed to work around people that have basically no driving skills. If you think about it, now wonder the speed limits are so low, they almost have to be due to the amount of undedicated & un-proficient drivers that are given a license.

Almost every time I hit the hills, I come across another piece of road that speed limit has been dropped. Bloody crazy.

Then we end up with this, all in the name of wanting to chase down a speeding car:

Motorcyclist killed in police collision named | Stuff.co.nz

The authorities' obsession with speeding is really getting over the top.

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Does anyplace else besides Kentucky pave half a lane? I'm not talking about a two lane road and, for example, the oncoming lane may be at a different elevation that the lane you're traveling in. I'm talking half of the lane on your side of the yellow. Even with that it's not solid. They may pave half of your lane on the right in a corner and then pave half of your lane on the left in the straight.

You can enter a corner on the inside new part, again for example, and halfway thru the corner there may be debris so you have to drop off the new part onto the unpaved part, all the while trying to stay in your lane. It's friggin' stupid.

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Does anyplace else besides Kentucky pave half a lane? I'm not talking about a two lane road and, for example, the oncoming lane may be at a different elevation that the lane you're traveling in. I'm talking half of the lane on your side of the yellow. Even with that it's not solid. They may pave half of your lane on the right in a corner and then pave half of your lane on the left in the straight.

You can enter a corner on the inside new part, again for example, and halfway thru the corner there may be debris so you have to drop off the new part onto the unpaved part, all the while trying to stay in your lane. It's friggin' stupid.
See post #17. Its not just the possible difference in elevation, but also the difference in traction that the 2 surfaces offer.

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Does anyplace else besides Kentucky pave half a lane?
I've heard of some real weird stuff in Kentucky (cue the banjos playing in the background), in fact when the NJ folks are trying to be real derogatory towards us to the west the refer to us as living in "Pennsyltucky", but paving half a lane might be the weirdest.

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I was on a 4 lane like that up here the other day. They ground down the road, re-paved the outer lanes, and then they'll do the inner ones. That leaves the little curb you have to run over to change lanes.

Now if you crank over and hit it like crossing railway tracks it should not be an issue. If it's dark or raining and you can't see it, or if something is making is slippery, or if it's a couple inches etc. then you may be going down.

The problem being on those projects is that the safety standards or procedures rarely takes a motorcycle into account. It may be safe for a car to rub it's tires on that lip but not on a bike.

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All that speeding kills’ rhetoric is BS. Stupid and inappropriate driving kills.

If they want to get real about safety, proper driver education is the way to go, as what they have in Germany, I believe. I was thinking about it on my ride into work today. Saw a few drivers scared stiff behind the wheel, white knuckles, etc, for no reason, just terrified of driving. The problem - to get a license al they need is to learn a set of traffic rules and to be able to demonstrate how to operate a vehicle to some extent that seems ok. The authorities believe that proper and advanced driver training will create overconfident people that will take chances. Have you ever heard such a load of crap?
So instead they dumb riders down, tell them that if they learn and stick to a set of road rules without thinking, they should be ok. So the whole system of is slanted and designed to work around people that have basically no driving skills. If you think about it, now wonder the speed limits are so low, they almost have to be due to the amount of undedicated & un-proficient drivers that are given a license.

Almost every time I hit the hills, I come across another piece of road that speed limit has been dropped. Bloody crazy.

Then we end up with this, all in the name of wanting to chase down a speeding car:

Motorcyclist killed in police collision named | Stuff.co.nz

The authorities' obsession with speeding is really getting over the top.
Include Japan in the classes thing, when I lived over there for 8 years, the GI;s would always complain about this driver did this or that, I always responded the Japanese ALL Drive the same, because they have ALL been trained the same.

In America you do not even have to prove you can read the signs, they print drivers books in 14 different languages, but I always ask WHY? They need to speak english to know what the signs say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Here in NC on some of the backroads they dump this gravel and tar mixture crap on areas that need patching/repairing. Over time it compacts and becomes a hard surface, but if you happen to round a corner within a few days after they have put it out you are in for a real treat. Extremely dangerous in my opinion. I can't believe they are still doing it.

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Tar and chips, never seen that here but I've seen it on folks bikes after they'd been down past the border. Not nice!

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Tar and chips, never seen that here but I've seen it on folks bikes after they'd been down past the border. Not nice!

Thats a good one! Where I live they start doing that in about a month or so. Most of the times they only have signs up about it while they are actually in the process. Other than that it is a complete surprise.....Definitely scary shit!

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