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Tubes vs. tubeless

Most of what I've read suggests, if you find a foreign object in your tire, say, a Kia Rio, you should replace the tire post haste. This got me thinking. In the days of old, one would dismount the tire from wheel, patch tire, replace tube, and go on down the road. Did that hold true for motorcycle tires as well? Was it better to toss the tube AND tire? Also, which operated hotter/warmer
the tubeless or the tubed. I'm having a tough time knowing one day I'll be looking down and say "Oh Look. I picked up an iguana spine someplace. And my tire is only at half life. Damn. " Thoughts? Specific to tires please.

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Carry a plug kit with you.

Plug a tubeless tire to make it back home. Plan on purchasing a new tire.


Tubeless is by far the most common set-up these days.


Never install a tube in a tubless tire set-up.


BTW, in the old days, tires were bias ply and tubed. They were far from the technical inovations and speed/performance rating of todays tires. Their operating environment was much less demanding and severe. You could get away with patching the tube, just as you can get away with patching tubes today. I do not recall any radial tire of today running on a tube. I do not recall any performance machine not using radials.
My dualsport runs on tubes, but hell, it may never see over 101mph.
My ZX10R runs on the Z rated setups. Sustained speeds in excess of 140 or 150....................
I wouldn't be caught running a plugged tire in that neighborhood. But I would plug it and take it easy 2 or 3 hundred miles from home.


Heat build-up????? Hell, I don't know. It's not like you will make a tubless set up toobed or vice versa.

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Thank you Bigdaa. I was wondering about the heat difference because M/C tires rely heavily on a minimum amount of gooeyness to provide traction. My guess is the extra friction between the tube and tire would provide a warmer tire overall. But with todays compounds I guess I'm comparing bicycles and orange juice, eh? Do most places sell that keen kit you've got there or is it a do it yourself thingy?

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DIY here. I think you could find most everything you need pretty quick.

Important thing is, don't go for the tiny little CO2 cartridges. They don't hold near enough. Two of the cartridges I show will do my rear 190 tire. Also, I bought spare plugs and glue. I keep them in the freezer at home. Every year or so I toss out what I have in the bike and put some new stuff in. Problem being is the glue does not last forever, and as glue and plugs come in the same kit, I just replace both.

The little coin pouch has the reamer and the filler valve in it. I carry a sharp pocket knife all the time, so I have something to cut the plug flush to the tire. Otherwise I would package up a new razor blade and keep it in there, too.


BTW, what are your riding conditions and preferences? A more accurate and detailed list of your rides and environments would be helpful in discussion of your observations and concerns.

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Nice kitty in the corner, Bigdaa.

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Nice kitty in the corner, Bigdaa.
Wow, I missed that completely!

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Carry a plug kit with you.


Never install a tube in a tubless tire set-up.
I like that kit idea!! by any chance oot a list of parts where purchased stuff like that?? oh i couldn't see the kitty till i adjusted the contrast on the screen!!

? how does bikes like the beamer have newer non tube tires with spoke wheels, don't spoke wheels have tubes no matter what tire?

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? how does bikes like the beamer have newer non tube tires with spoke wheels, don't spoke wheels have tubes no matter what tire?
They are in league with Satan.

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If you look closely at the spoked rims of the new BMW's, and the Aprilia Caponord, you will see that the spokes are actually on the outside of the rim. This allows for a spoked, tubeless, radial tire to be mounted.

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My riding so far is just local and up to racine, or the occasional run out to madison. I'd be riding now if it weren't freeze-your-toe-nails-off cold out.

Mentally I'm wanting to go to the hoot or at least jump a ferry over to Mich and ride to my dads place this summer. Finances allowing. I see track time in my distant future. After a training course.

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I would rather be "tubed" than "tube-less". Just my 5 cents.

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I have a hole in my tube.

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[QUOTE=async;74835]I would rather be "tubed" QUOTE]

Move to Frisco and your brothers that will never leave your behind.

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I would rather be "tubed" QUOTE]

Move to Frisco and your brothers that will never leave your behind.
Sounds like you know all about Frisco already. Experienced are we?

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Sounds like you know all about Frisco already. Experienced are we?
Ya, I rode Bay Area Rapid Transit with my little sis once way back when.
We saw quite a few ex New York Homio-homie-homos there. Like the Flintstones, they were all having a "Ghei Old Tyme"

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