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Reduce cornering anxiety and panic situations

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This was posted on SVrider a while back (OfirMX is a member there), and I just re-read it today. I thought with riding season coming up soon for those of us with 'seasons', it's a good time to post this for new and veteran riders alike.

Motorcycle cornering - Body position to reduce anxiety and panic | OfirMX

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post #2 of 24 Old 03-23-2018, 02:08 PM
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Cool. I really enjoyed reading that. I've been thinking about this lately. Answered a few questions I had. Cheers.

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One of the things about ridding a motorcycle is that you don't know where the limit is. I remember when I started and some talked about a 20mph knee drag. I thought that's crazy, how can you do that.

I remember seeing some of those Japanese police skills tests and thought, how can they do that?

The thing is that every bike is different. Even every setup (tires, tire condition, suspension, road condition, etc...) is different. You don't know where the bike is going to give way, so you push a bit more, a bit more, a bit more... trying to find the edge or to make sure you're not too close to the edge. Once you go too far, you'll learn where the edge is for THOSE conditions.

What if it was some sand on the corner that did it? Which corner has the sand/oil?

No doubt body position matters.

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I find articles like the one posted and those jap gymkhana videos inspiring. They also help me realize my own shortcomings and areas that need improvement.
I know from personal experience how target fixation can ruin all chances of a recovery. I love cornering on my 919. If body and head position help me become a more confident and relaxed rider then I believe I'm already in a better state to recover when things do start to go wrong. Track days and practicing on safe, well known stretches of road are vital to skill development. And that skill sometimes takes a long time to develop.
I practice my slow speed/gymkhana skills regularly. I have three places I use. A hard concrete abandoned basketball court. A large open gravel loading area. And a grass paddock. I brought a set of crash bars and I go for it. You soon learn your tipping point and how you and machine react to the different surfaces. Practice then practice some more I say. Also watch some videos, read some articles and get inspired.

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Text (some) and videos (some) can be helpful in developing riding skills but there is no substitute for "seat time." It takes time to develop the "muscle memory" and reactions necessary for the process of cornering a motorcycle. Regardless of how much you read or how much you watch, if you don't ride, you will never be in a position to deal with the unexpected that comes into the riding experience.
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Do a few track days. Don't get in over your head, especially on the street.

Like Dirty Harry said: A man's got to know his limitations.
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I think a big thing with panic is being presented with scary situations you've never been in before. People are typically afraid to lean over the bike because they never have and don't understand just how much lean a bike is capable of. Track days are awesome because it increases what your "limit" is and therefore also increases what would normally be your panic threshold.

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Text (some) and videos (some) can be helpful in developing riding skills but there is no substitute for "seat time." It takes time to develop the "muscle memory" and reactions necessary for the process of cornering a motorcycle. Regardless of how much you read or how much you watch, if you don't ride, you will never be in a position to deal with the unexpected that comes into the riding experience.


Conversely, unless you’re one of the MotoGP “aliens” (although even they have the benefit of coaches, telemetry and video of everything they do), seat time alone is a good way of developing bad habits and never improving.


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Took the bike out yesterday and consciously shifted my weight in the seat on some of the turns that I use to wobble around if I went to fast... and it felt great and super comfortable.... Like the article said the gforce pushing you in the seat makes it a much smoother experience. I was able to focus on relaxing my hands a bit more as well.


Good tip to keep in mind, going to be doing it until it becomes a habit
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I think going around a roundabout and finding different seating positions and seeing how it affects the motorcycle's lean angle / your comfort can be a useful way to get used to cornering pretty easily as well
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I always thought that this video showed shifting weight when cornering well.
https://youtu.be/bHvTiES23ss
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Ah crap thats not a good example lol. I needed to work on getting my head over more in line with my butt.
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I can see how that might be a bit more difficult on a naked bike with super wide bars :P

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Ah crap thats not a good example lol. I needed to work on getting my head over more in line with my butt.

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I can see how that might be a bit more difficult on a naked bike with super wide bars :P
I eventually did it though. Portland international was my second or 3rd track day. With some feedback from mcromo and others on here, plus some expert guidance at track days, I did my first knee down once I got my head over far enough and started to get off the bike a bit more. Took me 4 track days to do it. After that, I really pushing the limits of my skill further as well as the limits of some equipment on the 919. Namely the engine guards lol.

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Also, you still have those black levers that you were going to send me :P ?

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I eventually did it though. Portland international was my second or 3rd track day. With some feedback from mcromo and others on here, plus some expert guidance at track days, I did my first knee down once I got my head over far enough and started to get off the bike a bit more. Took me 4 track days to do it. After that, I really pushing the limits of my skill further as well as the limits of some equipment on the 919. Namely the engine guards lol.

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Also, you still have those black levers that you were going to send me ?
Gah! I asked the wife to drop those off for me. Let me check.
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I always thought that this video showed shifting weight when cornering well.
https://youtu.be/bHvTiES23ss
If one one is getting over, down and off on a 919 at track days, a rear mount camera should be seeing the instrument cluster.
Forward and lower bars assumed, that is.
Even with wide-ish bars such as Renthal ULs.

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Did you check :P ?



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Did you check ?


I did! She said she shipped it out 2 weeks ago. Said the post office guy was rude to her about the package. Should be there by May 5th I think.

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I did! She said she shipped it out 2 weeks ago. Said the post office guy was rude to her about the package. Should be there by May 5th I think.

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I can't think of another bike over 600cc that reduces more corner anxiety than the 919.

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You didn't happen to get a tracking number did you?


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I did! She said she shipped it out 2 weeks ago. Said the post office guy was rude to her about the package. Should be there by May 5th I think.

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Conversely, unless you’re one of the MotoGP “aliens” (although even they have the benefit of coaches, telemetry and video of everything they do), seat time alone is a good way of developing bad habits and never improving.


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I think that is a good point steev. I reckon theory before practical is the way to do.

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