First: We are ALL in agreement that hanging off is meant for the track - this thread has only been about that when people automatically equated 'lean' with 'hanging off'. Lets let that part of discussion die off. The only thing that CKutz and I have talked about is leaning, as in leaning your body over or maybe (as CKutz put it) 'scooting a cheek' in the more extreme corners. Hopefully we're on the same page now.
Alright PV, here we go. I'll start by saying that there's a difference between being blunt and being an asshole - your response was in the latter category. Don't get me wrong, I don't really care, but there really isn't any need for pretenses here. However, for my response I'll be taking the mature approach of using valid points instead of the 'he who shouts loudest/insults the most' approach you seem to fancy.
Funny, I didn't set the absolutes; the experts did...
Funny, you don't provide back up from experts. Oh wait, you did! And here's what he had to say "All that said, I have two friends who hang off in the corners and have the discipline to run sane speeds."
Also funny. You might want to read and add in the little foot note the author included as part of that statement.
You're right, it's damn hilarious. For the record, the part in question: "Can an article teach judgment and discipline? No, hospitals teach that."
Yes, the author is definitely correct - the ONLY way somebody could POSSIBLY have discipline is to crash. Oh wait, there's something called self control. Feel free to respond saying that I (somebody that you don't know) couldn't have the self control needed; it'd be a great way to show just how big of an ego you might have. Especially since I do it every damn day.
What you just described above is NOT counter steering!
Well damn, ya know what, you might just be right! Of course if you had a slightly keener attention to detail or had actually taken the time to read what I wrote you would have noticed that I said "counter it with steering," and did not once say counter steering. I cannot be at fault for you seeing what you wanted to. In case you want to be pedantic, counter steering is a specific phrase know to imply a specific action. "Counter it with steering" on the other hand is a perfectly valid string of words used to describe the speciﬁc action I was talking about.
Little else is worth me addressing here since absolutely nothing was substantiated. Add some evidence to your claims and I'll acknowledge/refute them individually. Until then, you're wasting my time.
[...]leaving yourself with no margin for error [...] no steering input which indicates terrible body positioning and a lack of understanding [...] there is no margin of error due to "over-leaning" [...]
For the record, 'over-leaning' was a terrible choice of words since over implies excess. Perhaps simply leaning would have been a better choice, as that's all I'm doing. And if there's absolutely no place for it and so incredibly dangerous as you seem to believe, why would the friends be doing it? (Once again, I am talking about LEANING.) The entire point of leaning is simply to leave the bike more upright through a corner; how exactly is this disastrous? In fact, as previously stated, it has already saved my life.
As for your comment about being pulled off the track; during my riders class exam I was the ONLY student to receive top marks, and my instructor - who also happened to be a race instructor - went out of his way to compliment me on my riding.
Now, I was very up front in stating my (lack of) riding experience, and as such am open to objective, substantiated advice (doesn't mean I won't debate it since I rarely take things as matter-of-fact). PV, if you want to give it a shot from off of your pedestal I will happily continue the discussion, otherwise I'm done responding to you.