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Hey dirt bike dudes !

What do you guys know about crashing that we streeters don't ?

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Most jackets protect the back somewhat while leaving the front,
the forward progressing part of the body, relatively un-protected.
Should a foreign object become airborne from another vehicle,
one could catch it in the chest. MX stuff covers at least part of the vitals.

Do we have a thread on this? If so, please direct. If not. Discuss?

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Dirtbike accidents, especially when jumping, sometimes tend to thrust the chest into the handlebars. This isn't a common occurrence on sportbikes.

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What do you guys know about crashing that we streeters don't ?

Thor impact rig se
Fox launch suit
Six six one pressure suit
A-stars bionics series.

Most jackets protect the back somewhat while leaving the front,
the forward progressing part of the body, relatively un-protected.
Should a foreign object become airborne from another vehicle,
one could catch it in the chest. MX stuff covers at least part of the vitals.

Do we have a thread on this? If so, please direct. If not. Discuss?
Anyone who's ridden dirt a lot knows that crashing is just part of the deal. It's to be expected. It can actually be pretty fun too.

I use full protection now, I'd go with the six six one. I've crushed my chest before and it took about a year to quit hurting. They didn't have all these pads back then.

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I think it's worth considering for the street. Again with the foreign object d'art. non?

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Anyone who's ridden dirt a lot knows that crashing is just part of the deal. It's to be expected. It can actually be pretty fun too.
I raced motocross, Crashing is to be expected, and I dont know about anyone else, but I NEVER thought it was fun. Come up short on a double one time, slammed my chest into the bars, yea it sucked. Was able to keep the bike up, but fell later that lap. Tried to pick the bike back up, and the pain shot through my body. Didnt finish the race, and couldnt even push my bike back to the truck. Though I had broken a rib, but just brused it. It hurt for about a week.

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Good topic. Is the helmet a big deal? I know dirt bike helmets look different, visor, no face shield, etc, but do you need all new gear when you're off roading? Will my current jacket / pants work? Helmet? Seems like a whole new set of gear is commonplace.

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Good topic. Is the helmet a big deal? I know dirt bike helmets look different, visor, no face shield, etc, but do you need all new gear when you're off roading? Will my current jacket / pants work? Helmet? Seems like a whole new set of gear is commonplace.
If your talking about road racing, Yes. Road racing on a track during a trackday will require you to have a riding suit (either a one piece or a 2 piece that buttons or zips together in the middle) as well as boots, a DOT helmet and full fingered gloves. I don't think I forgot any of the riding gear. FYI, it is also a good idea to have, no scratch that, a must, to have GOOD TIRES and GOOD BRAKE PADS before you show up to a track day.

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Not as much fun or memorable but a night at the dragstrip can be had for much cheaper and requires less gear.

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Good topic. Is the helmet a big deal? I know dirt bike helmets look different, visor, no face shield, etc, but do you need all new gear when you're off roading? Will my current jacket / pants work? Helmet? Seems like a whole new set of gear is commonplace.
Your street helmet will protect you in a fall in the dirt. It will look a little funny out with other off roaders. We used to call them bubble heads. The visor on dirtbike helmets is so you can kind of look down to shield your goggles from spraying roost and mud from the bike in front of you. If you only plan on playing around on the track and not doing any racing youll be fine with your street helmet. I would recomend a set of riding boots. The extra ankle support is very nice, not to mention are nicer for kick starting the bike. And if your foot ever slips off of the peg while riding you will be thankful you had them. As far as the off road riding cothes it is not nessecarry, but it is a good idea because it has pads in them, and they are vented to help keep you cool. Your street riding clothes will work but you will probably get hot, and regular clothes dont offer much protection. Dirtbike gloves are a good thing to have, cause they protect your hands, but are light and easy to move in. Chest protectors offer good protection also. I usually didnt wear one, and usually didnt have any trouble, but a couple times I wished I had had one. Hope this answeres your Q's.

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Good topic. Is the helmet a big deal? I know dirt bike helmets look different, visor, no face shield, etc, but do you need all new gear when you're off roading? Will my current jacket / pants work? Helmet? Seems like a whole new set of gear is commonplace.
The only problem with using a street helmet when offroading is if there is a lot of dust you will be eating it with your eyes. That's what goggles are good for.

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I wear a soft chest protector when on the MX bike, CTi knee braces and now a Leatt neck brace.

But as other mentioned, when 20+ ft in the air and you come up short, it's either bail or hold on and try to ride it out.
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Maybe I should be asking about the mechanics of an accident and what "standard" injuries are.

Like the breakdown of impacts with respect to the various surfaces of a helmet.

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I thoroughly tested the Thor impact rig at Cornerspin. It works very well. The Astars bionic knee guards didn't fare as good.

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For Standard injuries you can count on bruised or broken ribs, either from handlebars to the chest or backflops over the bars. Chest protection can help but doesn't prevent everything, and helmets save your head!!!!!

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No one has mentioned it, but ,collar bone fractures - they are common in both street and dirt riding - and I can tell you ,they suck ! I wasnt wearing my chest protector and crashed, thus , breaking my left wrist, left elbow, rt. wrist, rt. clooat bone ( need a rod to put it back together ) , 3 ribs and a slightly punctured lung - lesson learned ! I now have a Alpinestar bionic siuth that I wear in the cooler months and an Alpinestars chest protector that I wear during the warmer months -
As far the the street , Id venture to say the vast majority of injuries happen while sliding and sudden stop /cou-counter-cou ( I know my spelling is off here, butm basically its like if yo ushake a water bottle then hold it still - the bottle stops , but, the water keeps moving - this can and does happen with your brian and organs, causing serious and majoy trauma or death in extreme cases ) , alot less falling/height impact related when compared to dirt, but, it does happen.
Whole point, wear your gear, regardless of what disipline your riding - If your in the dirt, wear dirt gear ( you will die from heat exhaustion if you ride in a full face helemet at a MX track ! ), if your doing a trackday , wear that gear !

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No one has mentioned it, but ,collar bone fractures - they are common in both street and dirt riding - and I can tell you ,they suck ! I wasnt wearing my chest protector and crashed, thus , breaking my left wrist, left elbow, rt. wrist, rt. clooat bone ( need a rod to put it back together ) , 3 ribs and a slightly punctured lung - lesson learned ! I now have a Alpinestar bionic siuth that I wear in the cooler months and an Alpinestars chest protector that I wear during the warmer months -
As far the the street , Id venture to say the vast majority of injuries happen while sliding and sudden stop /cou-counter-cou ( I know my spelling is off here, butm basically its like if yo ushake a water bottle then hold it still - the bottle stops , but, the water keeps moving - this can and does happen with your brian and organs, causing serious and majoy trauma or death in extreme cases ) , alot less falling/height impact related when compared to dirt, but, it does happen.
Whole point, wear your gear, regardless of what disipline your riding - If your in the dirt, wear dirt gear ( you will die from heat exhaustion if you ride in a full face helemet at a MX track ! ), if your doing a trackday , wear that gear !
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It all depends on what type of dirt riding you will be doing, and at the level you are doing it at. I have raced motocross for 15 years, and what I wear are a good pair of knee braces, as one wrong landing, foot stab, can destroy an ACL. Boots, of course are necessary. I used to wear a chest protector when I raced, but switched out to a soft protector under my jersey, if its a rockier track then I might use the chest protector. There have been a lot of spinal injuries lately, or brought into light more recently. The Leatt neck brace is a fairly new device that many riders are now wearing to help with spinal injury. In the case of going over the bars and spearing into the ground like a dart, this limits the head/spine from compressing. http://www.leatt-brace.com/index.php?page_id=14&id=3

If you are doing more woods riding, dealing with trees, elbow pads, chest protector would be a good idea.

Wear a dirt bike helmet. Besides looking like a gonn, you will have a ton of dirt in your eyes. Not to mention you will destroy a visor pretty quickly. A motocross helmet is a lot less bulky also, considering you are moving around a ton more on a dirt bike.

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I thoroughly tested the Thor impact rig at Cornerspin. It works very well. The Astars bionic knee guards didn't fare as good.
Those the same ones I have? What's the status report?




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Those the same ones I have? What's the status report?

The impact from the knee cracked the lower plastic on one guard and rippd that connector material that runs between the two plastic pieces. My right knee is currently under evaluation by the orthopedic specialist. Outer tendon damage most likely.

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The impact from the knee cracked the lower plastic on one guard and rippd that connector material that runs between the two plastic pieces. My right knee is currently under evaluation by the orthopedic specialist. Outer tendon damage most likely.

Did they protect at all or intensify the injury? I'm dumping them on your word if you feel they're not up to par. I already have artificial tendon in one knee (bad dirt bike accident) and don't need anymore damage.




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Did they protect at all or intensify the injury? I'm dumping them on your word if you feel they're not up to par. I already have artificial tendon in one knee (bad dirt bike accident) and don't need anymore damage.
They protected a number of impacts, as I met the ground alot at Cornerspin. This was a deflected impact that didn't hit the knee centered.

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Did they protect at all or intensify the injury? I'm dumping them on your word if you feel they're not up to par. I already have artificial tendon in one knee (bad dirt bike accident) and don't need anymore damage.
If you have knee problems already, just don't go with knee "guards". Go with a brace. A guard is not going to protect you from hyper extension. If you already have bad knees, you can get them free from your insurance in some cases.

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I had a DonJoy brace for awhile but it went bad and I haven't picked another one up. I'll have to look into the insurance aspect to see if they'll cover another one.




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