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Mulholland close calls

Ok, I'm a serious believer in a conspiracy theory going on here.

What do you bet those journalists and photographers bring a can of silicone spray with them and 'paint' that corner.


That is just WAY too convenient and looks to be staged. Most of those bikes are still on the throttle, not even too much throttle, and the back just gives way. Like someone just pulled the rug out from under the tire.

I SERIOUSLY smell somethin'...:



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Sorry g00,

To me, that looks like squids on throttles. Plus, you can't really tell the pitch of the road to know the back is coming around. If it was a corn syrup sea, the front would wash... Say yesore no. OUCH!

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That's pretty crazy! Almost too much coincidence...

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G00g, there's no catch or prep there. When I lived in the area, a lot of people would lose it there and nobody was taking pics at the time. There's something odd about the surface at top exit to the corner, but the rest of it is just the nature of the road.

For the majority of these crashes and close calls it's either hard parts touching down and lifting the rear, loss of rear traction, or rider stupidity. If they'd prepped the corner, you would see the fronts losing grip.

We also have some members that ride that corner and have been in the normal no-crash videos the guy shoots.

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Yeah, I figured, that and how many other vehicles go through that corner just fine; this was a compilation of statistical outliers.

But still. Fishy, I say....

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Nope, not fishy, trust me. :P

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In the beginning of the vid, look at the brand new shinny guard rail... Cars can't handle that deceiving decreasing radius

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For starters not a damn soul in that video knows how to ride... Their body positions are horrible and as a result they are carrying way too much lean angle period. Most of them are probably too ignorant of proper riding technique to realize that is a bad thing, they just think it looks cool in their mind and most likely it will look cool on the video as they are all intimately aware they are being filmed.

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LDH, I think they can ride? Those saves are about skilled riding. Well, say above average, where I agree with 99% of what you said.

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Those saves are nothing, but luck plain and simple. They get spooked, dump the throttle and the bike corrects itself.

You can't give any additional credit for riding skills when they don't even have the basic building blocks for body positioning in place.

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it's southern california. all that sun bakes their brains.

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For starters not a damn soul in that video knows how to ride... Their body positions are horrible and as a result they are carrying way too much lean angle period. Most of them are probably too ignorant of proper riding technique
What?!?! But they got full leathers...

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oh you guys make me laf!

First. that turn gets the best of people... going up it crowns quite a bit JUST before the turn... come up over that crown BOOM turn... thats why you will see alot of people panic and grab a shit ton of front break and eat it early in that turn.

Second. its a slightly decreasing radius... and thats why you will see alot of people let off the gas mid turn a lil... then get back on it and boom weight distribution gets upset on the bike and tires start spinning.

Third... LDH is right... almost all these guys are barely off the bike, Ill admit i sometimes find myself staying to close to the bike and leaning it over too much... i know my riding position is not the best, but i try and take it a little slower and work on it...

Lastly.... this area BREEDS STUPID... you get the guys that literally bring their full non street legal track bikes out here and think they can ride the road like its a closed track... you also have the legitimate epitome of a full blow squid riding there.... i cant TELL you the number of times i have been sitting around that area and seen guys on crotch rockets in a helmet jacket but sneakers and jeans eat shit, then blame the bike.


BTW.... case and point of the first point. (and third and last point) .... i was actually out there that day and remember seeing that green bike sitting in the dirt inside the turn with a buncha people around it haha.

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Those saves are nothing, but luck plain and simple. They get spooked, dump the throttle and the bike corrects itself.

You can't give any additional credit for riding skills when they don't even have the basic building blocks for body positioning in place.
Staying on despite one's self is how I would put it.
I have some experience with this.
I credit the tires, the chassis, and to be honest, the fact that I've mellowed over the years and don't over react.
Mind boggling what today's bikes and tires can do to yield a save, despite a rider's unwitting best efforts to bin it.

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Well gyroscopic precession wants the bike to go straight which is a plus

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Well gyroscopic precession wants the bike to go straight which is a plus
exactly... wish i could find a vid of some type of sportbike / motogp race where the guy either highsides / low sides out of a turn the bike flips slides on the seat and bars for a lil bit, flips back over and as soon as the tires touch, it wobles up right straightens out and continues on down the road.

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a perfect example of the bikes desire to stay up right "despite" the rider
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Great videos guys. That guy running after his bike and jumping back on reminds me of falling off a horse and chasing it down.
And that corner everyone is losing their rear in looks like it could be a bit sandy. We have a few like that here. Wind blows the sand over and you get to remember what your heart feels like pounding in you chest.

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thats a fake.

as for g00gle, I donno, maybe there is something on the road, kinda like what dev said, "g00" hahaha g00. lol

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thats a fake.

as for g00gle, I donno, maybe there is something on the road, kinda like what dev said, "g00" hahaha g00. lol
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Yeah, but that video was clearly sped up.

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thats a fake.

as for g00gle, I donno, maybe there is something on the road, kinda like what dev said, "g00" hahaha g00. lol
Hey, you've got more 'goo' in your name than I do, mines only 'gzerozero'.

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Yeah, but that video was clearly sped up.
Yes, but to watch your lines is why it was sped up. The point of the ride is to concentrate on a smooth ride, take a line. Who needs fast/speed? Once you line-practice-smoothing, you can then haul the mail.

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wtf!

that was shot on the pch right by my house haha.

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Yes, but to watch your lines is why it was sped up. The point of the ride is to concentrate on a smooth ride, take a line. Who needs fast/speed? Once you line-practice-smoothing, you can then haul the mail.

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Understood about the lines, but still don't understand the point of the second vid?

....camera was all over the place (it was on his helmet, I presume) so if you were trying to show a video of following a line it was hard for me to learn from that vid.

For a noobie, it's easier to show them on paper first how to properly enter and exit a corner. Outside, inside, outside, but you can't enter too early, or you get a decreasing radius corner (you run out of room to maneuver and will most likely exit wide).

I do this on right hand turns. Now where's that bad habits thread again...

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Think of that helmet as the front tire. Watch were it is planted and aimed for the next line.
1. Bad habit = Looking too close to the front of the bike.
2 Good habit = Looking way out ahead makes one smoother.

1. Bad habit = Too much throttle on and off ~ What are you thinking? You're not!
2. Good habit = Less throttle moves ~ Makes one smoother. It says I concentrate on the ride/line/traffic/cops/etc.

1. Bad habit = Line biting ~ Notice the truck is pushed over to the right; 1:31 second. If you study the vids, line biting can make the other not stand down, but meet you as they saw what you were doing. Meet a fender or where mirrors meet and greet?
2. Good habit = Stand down ~ Stopped at the 0:45 second mark in the beginning. It says, the line was aborted to bunch up that group all up; you move to the left line. What you did was move as far right so as to wait for the next corner. It's not worth it!

The vid may have been sped up, but that run is briskly running down some cars up ahead, no?

Bad habit = Flow with traffic
Good HABIT = The faster you are home, the longer you live... Who hangs with clumps of metal to gobble you up?

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That clip is surely the most pointless and biggest waste of digital memory I have ever seen.
Gratuitous sped up goon riding, and that's being kind.

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That clip is surely the most pointless and biggest waste of digital memory I have ever seen.
Gratuitous sped up goon riding, and that's being kind.
That came out of the infamous "Phagwerks" studio in West Hollywood.

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That came out of the infamous "Phagwerks" studio in West Hollywood.
THAT explains it !

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Yeah that was a shitty video and I dont think it really was what you wanted to show Dev.

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<---- time for me to go hit up mulholland on this beautiful sunny so cal sunday!

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Just be sure to be shy at Silicon Spray Corner !

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Yeah that was a shitty video and I dont think it really was what you wanted to show Dev.
Dave,

I totally agree with you. I need to sell my same 3 cameras I bought to watch some needle swing back and forth on my bikes. One I broke, so I used that as a helmet cam. Now what do I do with them. You are so right.

I was just saying that smooth and slow come first, if there is anything to be learned to be had for the beginner guys/gals? It is more you straighten out the road? That is my point.

My other point is that once you become smooth, you can step it up some. Maybe this one is in real time? The throttle is not all over the place but committed to the apex. The gear is not chattering the rear wheel. No rear brake is applied. It is 100% front braking.

The line is never crossed. You just kiss it and say goodbye. Her comes the next one. You kiss her. She and you have this thing going on... Okay, maybe I do?

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pff... pretty sure i just went knee down to a wheelie today in that same corner :-P ... both ways.


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Dave,

I totally agree with you. I need to sell my same 3 cameras I bought to watch some needle swing back and forth on my bikes. One I broke, so I used that as a helmet cam. Now what do I do with them. You are so right.

I was just saying that smooth and slow come first, if there is anything to be learned to be had for the beginner guys/gals? It is more you straighten out the road? That is my point.

My other point is that once you become smooth, you can step it up some. Maybe this one is in real time? The throttle is not all over the place but committed to the apex. The gear is not chattering the rear wheel. No rear brake is applied. It is 100% front braking.

The line is never crossed. You just kiss it and say goodbye. Her comes the next one. You kiss her. She and you have this thing going on... Okay, maybe I do?

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Learn slowly in order to be able to later more safely go faster.
Smoothness is key.

Road straightening is dangerous as an absolute rule, if that is what you are suggesting.
It's bad for rutted and crowned lanes.
It's bad in the rain re crossing the oiled centre section.
And clipping paint lines on public roads is begging for trouble, considering how slippery some paints are when wet.


There are some very valid uses for rear braking.
100 % front braking as an absolute rule is wrong, if that is what you are truly suggesting.

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Learn slowly in order to be able to later more safely go faster.
Smoothness is key.
I believe we are on the same page, correct?

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Road straightening is dangerous as an absolute rule, if that is what you are suggesting.
In the rain? Yes, that is the absolute rule. Remain upright at all costs.

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It's bad for rutted and crowned lanes.
Ruts are nothing. Who hangs around crowded lanes? Dangerous, right?

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What? Upright and at a 45° angle to a track?

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And clipping paint lines on public roads is begging for trouble, considering how slippery some paints are when wet.
When you practice, the roads are dead with traffic or you "Standown" it's too simple is the common sense.

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A few I agree.

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100 % front braking as an absolute rule is wrong, if that is what you are truly suggesting.
Maybe not for the novice. Maybe for those that want to step up their skills. The bike is a tool in your hands. Takes some dipsticking to go ball busting.

This one is for Dave. Figures what is one more bad vid skid on the tube.

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In the rain? Yes, that is the absolute rule. Remain upright at all costs.
idk what you're smoking, but it must be crack! yes you can lean in the rain... i do it all the time and i live in the pacific northwest. hell, i ride more often in rain than i do in dry weather. the key to riding in the rain is to have smooth inputs.

you dont know what the hell you're talking about....

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