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I've visited two states (HI & CO) without helmet laws. What surprises me is most there ride fully unprotected, as in tshirt/shorts/sandals! Please inform all your Bros/Sis of the accident injury stats with no gear.

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http://www.speedfreakinc.com/content...rashqueen.html

This article should change ANYONE'S mind about riding unprotected.

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http://www.speedfreakinc.com/content...rashqueen.html

This article should change ANYONE'S mind about riding unprotected.
Yup, major skin grafts. The pictures say it all.

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It's not recommended to ride without gear, but I believe this is a free country and we should not have helmet laws anywhere. My choice, my bike, my life.

And yes, I do always wear one. But I shouldn't be required to.

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It's not recommended to ride without gear, but I believe this is a free country and we should not have helmet laws anywhere. My choice, my bike, my life.

And yes, I do always wear one. But I shouldn't be required to.
What happens if the rider of the motorcycle doesn't have insurance? Who pays the bill?

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What happens if the rider of the motorcycle doesn't have insurance? Who pays the bill?
I said gear. Not insurance. Noone should be allowed to operate public roads without insurance.

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It's not recommended to ride without gear, but I believe this is a free country and we should not have helmet laws anywhere. My choice, my bike, my life.

And yes, I do always wear one. But I shouldn't be required to.
Couldn't agree more and although I very seldom rode with a helmet growing up, I do 99% of the time now. That 1% that I may venture out should be my choice, not someone else's.

Should something bad happen on my cycle, four-wheeler, horse, anything.. My family has my instructions and wishes to just pull the plug.

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I have to agree with everyone that helmet laws are no good.

That being said, I have another idea. Let the insurance companies take care of it. You sign a waiver stating that you will always wear armored clothing and a DOT approved helmet. If you don't want to sign the waiver, your insurance goes up. If you sign the waiver and get hurt while not wearing your gear, no insurance payout. Ought to lower the rates for those of us that wear gear, and get more people to wear the stuff. Just a thought...

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I thought ins. co's were in favor of not wearing a helmet because death is cheaper for them than serious injuries.

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I have to agree with everyone that helmet laws are no good.

That being said, I have another idea. Let the insurance companies take care of it. You sign a waiver stating that you will always wear armored clothing and a DOT approved helmet. If you don't want to sign the waiver, your insurance goes up. If you sign the waiver and get hurt while not wearing your gear, no insurance payout. Ought to lower the rates for those of us that wear gear, and get more people to wear the stuff. Just a thought...
The problem with this is that whoever walks into a public hospital emergency room must be treated and cannot be turned away. It doesn't matter whether or not you have insurance, they still have to treat you. This, by the way, is one of the ways the illegal immigrants are bleeding the taxpayers dry.

So if a motorcyclist gets hurt on his bike as a result of not wearing a helmet and gets brought to a public hospital's emergency room, he gets treated. If he doesn't have insurance, guess who pays the bill? .. it isn't him.

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I thought ins. co's were in favor of not wearing a helmet because death is cheaper for them than serious injuries.
Maybe true, but no one can predict who will die and who will not.

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Maybe true, but no one can predict who will die and who will not.
Maybe not, but I give two to one odds against the guy without a helmet surviving...

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Insurance be damned, state law without regard, I will wear a helmet, and gear. I don't worry about the person who doesn't, I worry about me.

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Insurance be damned, state law without regard, I will wear a helmet, and gear. I don't worry about the person who doesn't, I worry about me.
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Do not write laws to save me from myself.
Do not claim that $$$ is why you are limiting my freedom.

BS health insurance costs are what costs us money. But it is a money maker for business. So instead of fixing a healthcare issue, it is the uninsure motorcyclists fault (or immigrants fault) the state has to pay out bookoo bucks.

BS!

Lay blame where is belongs, do not project - or we will all be walking in bubbles and driving mid 1980s Volvos to save the countries savings account.

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On topic - I encourage those I know to ride responsibly. It is more important that gear alone.

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Do not write laws to save me from myself.
Do not claim that $$$ is why you are limiting my freedom.

BS health insurance costs are what costs us money. But it is a money maker for business. So instead of fixing a healthcare issue, it is the uninsure motorcyclists fault (or immigrants fault) the state has to pay out bookoo bucks.

BS!

Lay blame where is belongs, do not project - or we will all be walking in bubbles and driving mid 1980s Volvos to save the countries savings account.

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On topic - I encourage those I know to ride responsibly. It is more important that gear alone.
Sounds like you're calling for universal health care. I totally agree!

BTW, you should go watch Michael Moore's latest movie "Sicko". It really shines the spotlight on how f*cked up the health care system in this country really is.

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No, this would be a whole other conversation, but I do not support universal healthcare for many reasons.

However, there is a time to say enough is enough and it is time to put something in place to prevent the obscene overcharges made by todays hospitals and private physicians.

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BTW, you should go watch Michael Moore's latest movie "Sicko". It really shines the spotlight on how f*cked up the health care system in this country really is.
BTW, if Michael Moore would spend more time presenting the truth than spinning the truth, I would be interested in what he has to say. His topics may be important, but his presentation has destroyed in integrity in my book.

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However, there is a time to say enough is enough and it is time to put something in place to prevent the obscene overcharges made by todays hospitals and private physicians.

My little run-in with a kitchen knife last month and my attempt at fileting my leg cost the insurance company 798.00 for the emergency room visit and 202 or 212.00 for perscription costs. The 800.00 was bad enough to suture my leg, but 200.00 for a weeks worth of a generic narcotic (pain pill) and a weeks worth (21) pills of an antibiotic is nuts.

My dad recently had his knee replaced. The artificial knee alone was just over 20,000 dollars. A machined part that if it were for one of our bikes would have been no more than a few hundred at best.


The health care system is a complete joke anymore and the over charges that they scam us all for one way or another.

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Good discussion and thanks for all your comments. It would be Utopia if we didn't burden society legislating laws for common sense. Everyone must take personal responsibility for THEIR actions.

Please travel safely and have fun!

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I have to agree with everyone that helmet laws are no good.

That being said, I have another idea. Let the insurance companies take care of it. You sign a waiver stating that you will always wear armored clothing and a DOT approved helmet. If you don't want to sign the waiver, your insurance goes up. If you sign the waiver and get hurt while not wearing your gear, no insurance payout. Ought to lower the rates for those of us that wear gear, and get more people to wear the stuff. Just a thought...
+1 same with seat belt laws for adults IMO.

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In countries with socialized medicine, the justification for these kind of laws is to keep the medical costs down. The rationale being that if there are no such laws, more people will get injured and end up using the health system. This idea raises it's head here from time to time as justification for these laws. However, in the case of this country, the laws are advocated by the health insurance companies to enable them to make more money by paying less claims.

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you know, i hate helmet hair but logic tells me that it would be wise to done my helmet and gear on every time i ride.

as for "road rash queen":

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Riders can't insulate themselves from death or dismemberment. But wearing the proper riding gear can help lessen whatever injuries result when a crash occurs.

Brittany Morrow learned that lesson the hard way.

In September 2005, Morrow, a 22-year-old Albuquerque, N.M., resident, climbed on the back of a 2004 Suzuki GSX-R750 operated by her friend, Shaun. She was an "experienced" passenger, but hadn't ridden in a while...
well, lesson learnt.

here's something a came across recently:

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I worked a crash last night involving a bike {cruiser type} and a car.
The biker was over 60 y.o. and was enjoying the scenery. The car was stopped in the left lane waiting to turn into a lot.

Biker didnt see car until the last second and attemtped a swerve left {oncoming traffic lane! 40+ speed limit}
His right crash bars, floor boards caught the cars left rear and slammed him down HARD. He then flew over the bars onto the roadway. HARD. Into the oncoming lane of traffic. Luckily no one hit him.

He had a huge gash on his helmetLESS head, bleeding from nose, ears and I think from his mouth.
Medics took him quickly and they later on updated he was more alert once they got to the E.R. and should be fine.

His family called later and said he has broken vertebraes {plural}, 2 broken wrists, facial fractures etc.
He is in his 60s so his recovery time is much longer and harder.

ATGATT..
Oh and PAY ATTENTION TO THE CARS AROUND YOU!!!!

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Yea, my first harsh lesson into the importance of gear happened about 10 years ago. I was in college and was riding my CB550K. I had a "the Fonz" style leather jacket that I spottily wore, but on this particular day it was hot, and I was "only going a couple miles". About 1/2 way to my destination, I realized that I hadn't brought something that I needed, so I turned around and headed back to the dorm. As I was turning into the parking lot at the dorm, at no more than 10mph, my rear wheel hit an unseen spot of gravel, and down I went. Even at that slow speed, my jeans were shredded at the knee, and my left forearm was one bleeding sore from the elbow to about 3" below the wrist, complete with bits of tar and gravel fused to my skin.

It wasn't severe enough for hospital treatment, but it still took a long time to heal, hurt like hell, and itched for a good year+ after that. I still have some remnants of a scar on my arm, and ever since then, I try to live by ATGATT. If 5-10mph will take your skin off, I can't imagine what 50-80 would do...we're talking down to the bone.

All in all, I consider it a good lesson learned cheaply and at no real loss to myself.

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recent posting from "road rash queens" myspace:

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Rider Down

A good friend ... went down yesterday on his way to the store for cigarettes. We were all at Rad's Cycle celebrating with fireworks and a BBQ when he jumped on to go for a short ride.

He dodged around a semi-trailer turning right into a local warehouse and went head on into a Honda CRV... the cops estimate he was going between 50-60 and the woman driving the CRV was going around 45. Theres a possibility that she ran him over after he hit the windshield.

He wasn't wearing his helmet or any other gear. Right now his injuries are massive, with internal bleeding, broken bones, blood clots, and infection spreading throughout his body. There's a possibility that he could lose his legs and die from infection. He is in a medical coma and will be in critical condition until further notice. The doctors and his family are requesting no visitors at all for at least a week, moybe longer...
she got alot of work to do if her friend's are still not paying attention to her supposed preaching's about ATGATT!

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Road Rash Queen or what ever she calls herself is a dumb ass........

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HA!!! another name that came up at the bbq.

At least w/ no helmet, don't have to worry about falling off @ 120...

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