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post #1 of 26 Old 01-11-2007, 08:33 AM Thread Starter
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Tell me why, with reasons that will make sense to me, why I shouldn't buy this helmet for daily use on the GS.

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post #2 of 26 Old 01-11-2007, 08:40 AM
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You're not old enough to start wearing flip face helmets.

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It'll probably cost $50 to ship.

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checking on shipping rates. $50 isn't too unreasonable, will know when they respond.

I already wear an open face for daily use. I've come to understand that when saddled up on an ADV bike a fullface helmet is not practical. Sure it's the norm for the track and blasting around on a sportier bike but very aggravating when commuting or touring.

Daily commuting and having to live with gear every single day has affected the way I look at things.

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Well, I have seen pictures of a flip face in a crash and the chinbar did not survive the crash. Don't know if it would be better or worse than an open face. I can't look to see what you posted though, work blocks ebay. Don't know what type, etc.

With that said, my dad wears a SyMax and swears by it. I have also thought about getting one for leisure riding and commuting.

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it's an Airoh TR1. Also viewable at http://www.motowebshop.com/en/shop/h...mets/airoh_tr1

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That's an awesome helmet!! I want one. Go for it!

I noticed the prices on that site you gave me were in Euros. Are these DOT approved helmets? I am required to have at least DOT for the military installation I work on. I saw another like that once that I looked at until I saw it was not DOT approved.

Still think you may wanna look at the The "IMPERIAL TIE FIGHTER PILOT" helmet from your ask a BMW thread.


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OK, my problem with flip face helmets....

Walk into your local motorcycle shop. Pick up a flip face helmet and flip it upside down. Put your palms right wear your jawbone hinges if you were wearing the helmet. Push inward.

Pick up a 3/4 helmet and repeat the excersize.

The 3/4 helmet is stronger. The flip face has less rigidity do to make room for the hinge. Also, i can take a picture of a flip face helmet a friend was wearing when he was involved in a lowside. Chin bar snapped, yet it was not the initail point of impact.

I am not only far from impressed, but surprised they pass DOT inspection.

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Reason #1: It's not DOT/Snell approved. Not that I could see from the two websites you posted anyway.

Edit: After some research, I see that they are not marketed in the US, so no need for the DOT stamp of approval. They are made to a Euro standard, although it's not one I recognise. WebBikeWorld did a review of their enduro helmet.

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I understand the concern about flip face helmets. Mike, you've seen the helmet I use now for daily commuting, certainly this has to offer more protection than the open face Arai I wear now.

They're certified high enough in the Europoean standard to my satisfaction. Right there between DOT and Snell.

Still haven't received the shipping amount yet but so far I haven't seen enough to dissuade me.

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Why the Airoh, and not a stateside supplier?

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Mike, you've seen the helmet I use now for daily commuting, certainly this has to offer more protection than the open face Arai I wear now.
I disagree...
The helmet you wear now is much stronger in every area except in the chin. If you hit the back or side of your head, the aria is far stronger.

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get the Feb. '07 Motorcyclist, they've got a quick list of the us-distributed flip-face lids. i haven't looked at them like Mike has, as far as strength and such. but i know the Nolan is a fantastic helmet, in the $250+ range, but is very highly recommended across the board.

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I couldn't find anything about the components of the inside of the helmet so I can't make a good arguement whether is good or bad but others are correct on saying that an Open Face helmet is far better as far as protecting your face than any Modular helmet.

Most accidents are within 10 miles of your house and at low speeds so depending on the inside layers of the composite material (dual or single layer), you could probably be better off with a hat and sunglasses from Publix

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The only people I know that wear those 'flip-up' or 'modular' helmets are people who smoke while riding...

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smoking is bad.

Here's what I must have out of a helmet:
It MUST be comfortable and non claustrophic.
It MUST have either an open face or flip front that is no less safe than an openface.
It MUST have an integrated flip down sun visor so I'm not changing shields twice a day.
It MUST be safe.
It MUST not be ridiculous. (that's my judgement call i guess)

Those are not in any order of importance but merely the MUST haves.


I don't care about DOT/Snell versus European standards of testing because I think all of them are full of it.

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Does Florida have a helmet law? Didn't know if our buddies in blue would have a problem with non-DOT.

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Does Florida have a helmet law? Didn't know if our buddies in blue would have a problem with non-DOT.

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Would they even know the difference, though? If FL does have a helmet law, the LEOs would only check for the presence of a lid, not the quality of it.

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no helmet law in FL but DOT is the minimum I'll consider. I just don't care if it's DOT standards or European standards.

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Have you looked at Schuberth? Caberg and Schuberth are the only ones I know of with the flip down visor.

http://www.schuberth.com/

http://www.caberg-helm.com/home.aspx?xL=e

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yes. I think I've looked at them all that are available on shelves in the US. Schuberth, Nolan and Laser - there might've been a couple more too.

Schuberth J1 is their only one that doesn't feel like your head is sealed in an airtight box.

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That Schuberth J-1 looks like it might be pretty cool for an open face Jet...

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Someone on .net had the Caberg, but I can't remember who now.

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Have you looked at Schuberth? Caberg and Schuberth are the only ones I know of with the flip down visor.

http://www.schuberth.com/

http://www.caberg-helm.com/home.aspx?xL=e
+1 on the Schuberth C2... that's the one my wife and I are getting when I pick up my '07 K1200GT in May.

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smoking is bad.

Here's what I must have out of a helmet:
It MUST be comfortable and non claustrophic.
It MUST have either an open face or flip front that is no less safe than an openface.
It MUST have an integrated flip down sun visor so I'm not changing shields twice a day.
It MUST be safe.
It MUST not be ridiculous. (that's my judgement call i guess)

Those are not in any order of importance but merely the MUST haves.


I don't care about DOT/Snell versus European standards of testing because I think all of them are full of it.
Have you found a lid that fits this bill?

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I'm still using my Arai but I changed my windscreen setup so 90% of the issue is resolved.

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