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I'm looking at getting the Joe Rocket UFO, tried it on and seems to be a decent jacket for the money (protection and all) anybody else have an idea about it? Also i see a lot of these jackets that have a pocket for an MP3 player, is that going to get me in trouble or is that specifically for the track?

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I'm looking at getting the Joe Rocket UFO, tried it on and seems to be a decent jacket for the money (protection and all) anybody else have an idea about it? Also i see a lot of these jackets that have a pocket for an MP3 player, is that going to get me in trouble or is that specifically for the track?
Can you expand on the MP3 pocket question? How would a pocket get you in trouble?

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i have the Phoenix 4.o. very similar (read same) jacket. my favorite in the world of mesh. the ufo's price point is higher than the phoenix. those patches are worth like 90 bucks easy. (read sarcasm)

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I have the JR Meteor and like it a lot. The UFO looks great and gets really good reviews. It's not the mp3 players that can get you in trouble. It's the earbuds. In NY anyways, they are illegal. Headsets are OK but anything that sits in your ear canal is a no no.

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I've been looking at the Tourmaster Intake. It has a waterproof liner and a fleece liner and lots of pockets. About $125 at Ironpony.com

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I've been looking at the Tourmaster Intake. It has a waterproof liner and a fleece liner and lots of pockets. About $125 at Ironpony.com

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in addition to the "waterproof" liner that came w/ the jacket i purchased jr's fleece lined waterproof liner for the fall. also a little more comfortable on bare skin. most will tell you to be comfortable you need to wear a long sleeve w/ the basic nylon liner.

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Yea i'm not sure what the laws are here in michigan about having earbuds but i know that other states have a law that says you can't, anyone from michigan know of any such law?

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Two months ago I would have been the guy saying that the JR jackets were a great deal for the money. I'm not sure I agree anymore. Another thread about these jackets was started a while ago, and I was of the mind that the mesh jackets were good jackets that would protect you well in a crash. Now I think I know a little better.

Are textile mesh jackets better than nothing? Yes, and anyone that wrecks in a t-shirt would agree with me. Are they better than leather? Not in a million years. After much debate in that thread, some of the more knowledgeable members of the site gave me some suggestions for particular brands and jackets to look into that were made of perforated leather for breathability and armor that was fixed, not floating, and made to a standard that allowed a rider a better chanceof survival in a wreck. I have done quite a bit of research since then, and have found numerous leather jackets that have great breathability and fixed armor in the right places to protect you in the event of a crash.

The best part about most of the jackets I looked at: they are all comparable in price to the mesh jackets that JR makes. If you want a good jacket, and have the time to do a little research, dump textiles and buy leather.

Okay, I'm putting my soapbox away now...

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So hooker what are some of these jackets your talking about?

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I'm not a fan of mesh jackets either, hooker. Seems like they are much are more popular down in your neck of the woods than up here.

As for textile versus leather, well part of it has to do with the ride you are going on. If I'm going to the store and not going more than 35 MPH, a textile will suit me fine. Textiles with at least 620 denier are good up to 1200 duty cycles (abrasion cycles on pavement until fabric fails). But if I'm going for a long ride where I'll be doing high(er) speeds, then it's leather all the way. The key for both is to get stuff that is comfortable. Nothing will protect you if it's hanging in the closet. Buy as much as you can afford. And then ATGATT.
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Does anyone have any suggestions for specific jackets that would be good for a newbie like me?

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What color is your bike and how old are you?

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This is an awesome deal! Highly protective, cheap, and looks really good, comes in some cool colors. Spidi is top notch.
Link This same jacket sells elsewhere for much more Link

Another nice one. Looks good and it's Dainese so you know it's built right.
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I think this jacket looks rad, I don't know how well they are made though. On sale. Extremely cheap.Link

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So hooker what are some of these jackets your talking about?

Gericke Urban Warrior is one that was recommended to me, but there are others. Look through websites, and try the jacket on at a local store to see if the fit is right and the quality good. As soon as I can find the right size, I will be ordering one of the above. They originally sold for more than 400 dollars, but I have found a couple of places selling for about $130. eBay stores are great!!

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What color is your bike and how old are you?
i'm 19 and my bike is silver

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Often Joe Rocket jackets can be obtained on eBay for one-sixth the going rate of retail shops. Typically, these will be last season's model. Picked up a $300 summer jacket for $65 including shipping. It is a fine value (even for $300) in every way. With 8,000 quick miles on it, it has never failed to perform admirably, (unlike a recent US$650 Vanson jacket). Joe Rocket makes fine gear.

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No offense, but I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you there. I used to have a JR summer jacket and my complaints about it are numerous. Armor didn't stay in place, it was uncomfortable, zippers worked poorly, etc. The JR GPX gloves I still have are similarly bad. Gloves to be replaced by Veloce (maybe...) and the jacket was replaced by a Fieldsheer some time ago.

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Bock,what do you mean maybe,please have some faith.WIIMMM

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I've had my JR mesh jacket since 2002 and it's still holding up great. No problems yet. It's a great alternative on hot days, which are few in Michigan.

I have a JR something-or-other for the bulk of my riding. The only thing I don't like about it is that the zippers on the pockets will sometimes get some of the fabric in there making it hard to zip. I just have to be careful when zipping those. The rest of it is great.

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No offense, but I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you there. I used to have a JR summer jacket and my complaints about it are numerous. Armor didn't stay in place, it was uncomfortable, zippers worked poorly, etc. The JR GPX gloves I still have are similarly bad. Gloves to be replaced by Veloce (maybe...) and the jacket was replaced by a Fieldsheer some time ago.
Not a maybe, it will be replaced. Sorry for the delays - your patience is immensely appreciated.

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I can understand and appreciate how long this has taken Mc. I am pulling my hairs out already as well.

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no hurry here wim,whenever your ready is fine by me,when your comfortable with the finished product,then i know we all will be,take your time and do it to your own satisfaction.......now the tee shirts on the other hand,,,JETTTT

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Just a little insight on Joe Rocket... back in 2002 (if I remember correctly) JR was still a very small Company and they were still making their product in house (read: in Canada) so the production and quality control was much better. When they decided to expand, they went the way others have and went to China or Taiwan and the quality suffered, hence, the problems with a lot of their product.

Being said that, they know this and they are probably willing to exchange the product, no questions asked, if the fault lies with them. This is also true with a lot of the Manufacturers that work out of China & Taiwan.

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Just a little insight on Joe Rocket... back in 2002 (if I remember correctly) JR was still a very small Company and they were still making their product in house (read: in Canada) so the production and quality control was much better. When they decided to expand, they went the way others have and went to China or Taiwan and the quality suffered, hence, the problems with a lot of their product.

Being said that, they know this and they are probably willing to exchange the product, no questions asked, if the fault lies with them. This is also true with a lot of the Manufacturers that work out of China & Taiwan.
Well RC, you are right about manufacturing. It is now done in places like Taiwan, Phillipines, China, Pakistan, and Brazil. However, this is true of companies like Dainese, Alpinestar, and some other really top brand names. I will tell you this - at this age and time - worksmanship in a lot of this places is top notch, just by sheer repitition of work. Remember, it is not just suits - you have helmets and other such gear made in these places.

What becomes an issue is how much a manufacturer wants to spend (cost) on suits. You have about ten different grades of leather you can use. You can go from Cheap milled leather to premium milled leather and up to Naked Leather (Drum Dyed / Premium Leather). Then, you also have a choice on how you cut your suits, how leather might be wasted, and also the choice of thread. Then you get into how you stitch the suit and how you place the the armour. It is cheaper to insert the armour in loose pockets in the liner than it is to stitch it in place. Go look at a Dainese or Alpinestar vs. a JR, that is why Bock was saying the armour moved all over the place.

So... considering that Alpinestars make their suits in Asia, China, etc. They are still able to maintain quality by dint of design, craftsmen they choose and also final quality checks - anything less is really on the manufacturer.

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Sure, it is all about Quality Control... using Honda as an example, they have (or had) a plant in Mexico where they use to import the scooters that were sold in the US (Elite 50 & 80's), all of a sudden, they stopped importing them (this was back in 87 or 88) because Mexico was not using Honda's standards and the Mexican Honda Plant had to sell them to other Countries except the US.

So, if we base the same stds for others like Dainese, Spidi, Veloce ( ), etc, etc... then, the fact that they make their Stuff in those Countries doesn't make them bad products.

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Sure, it is all about Quality Control... using Honda as an example, they have (or had) a plant in Mexico where they use to import the scooters that were sold in the US (Elite 50 & 80's), all of a sudden, they stopped importing them (this was back in 87 or 88) because Mexico was not using Honda's standards and the Mexican Honda Plant had to sell them to other Countries except the US.

So, if we base the same stds for others like Dainese, Spidi, Veloce ( ), etc, etc... then, the fact that they make their Stuff in those Countries doesn't make them bad products.
Pretty much - yes. In the past, you could say that making things off shore bore risks and that quality was one of the things that suffered. However, these days - you can manage that risk by a tight quality control process.

You specify what you want - materials, patterns, tolerances, etc.
You inspect each item till you feel you have reached an acceptable level.
Then you maintain your checks to maintain the level you achieve.

It's like you suggest - look at BMW, they make cars in NC. Would a German then assume that the X5 that was made here is inferior in Quality than the one made in Bavaria? Even considering it was the same components and parts? It shouldn't be inferior if there is a quality check in place and if the design was sound to begin with.

As I always mentiond (bored ranting here), the consumer has to pay to play with quality toys.

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Not a maybe, it will be replaced. Sorry for the delays - your patience is immensely appreciated.
Just seeing if you were paying attention, WIM.

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Just seeing if you were paying attention, WIM.

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I used to work for a company with plants all over the world. Theory was any product should meet the same company stabdards no matter the location. It is all in your QC Standards, Production/Assembly Standards and holding desired tolerances plus inspection.

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I used to work for a company with plants all over the world. Theory was any product should meet the same company stabdards no matter the location. It is all in your QC Standards, Production/Assembly Standards and holding desired tolerances plus inspection.
See... even the experts agree.

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I have a Cortech (Tourmaster) GX Air jacket I am very happy with, expecially in the summer heat. Ordered the Cortech Intake jacket for wife. Both jackets have removable waterproof liner, and inner lining for more cold weather riding. Don't know how cold will be too cold with these jackets.

GX Air has leather on sholders, elbows and on the back, with removable CE approved armour

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No experience with a mesh JR jacket, but in Canada we don't have any days that necessitate one. I do have a JR meteor jacket and it is amazing, great quality, fit, versatility and protection. I've been looking at JR stuff for the longest time, and I'd swear by their quality.

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