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post #1 of 34 Old 11-14-2016, 05:39 PM Thread Starter
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Hi all, found this site while searching to buy a used bike soon. Haven't owned a bike in over 10 yrs, still have my M license though. Last two bikes I owned were used 2001 Kawi KLR650 and '81 Honda 750-4. Before that a few years was a new KZ550LTD back in the 80's. So to stay on budget, I'm looking at used about 10 yr old, 800-1100cc Cruisers. Alot of those for sale. But not sure I will like that riding stance, it will be new to me, so I may need some riding time to get used to it.

I did find a '07 919 that looks real nice and at a good price. I'm not looking to be a speed-demon in my late 50's now but it's a classic stance style that I am familiar with. And its' just a good looking bike. Funny quite a few threads out there speak of the exhaust stench that sticks to riders from the stock pipes setup, IIRC. Not looking to modify anything I buy soon. Promised wife I'd stay in my about $3K budget and many bikes, Cruisers mostly, come pretty well equipped.

Finding alot of 650 V Stars for sale but I think at 5'9 and 230lbs I will need something bigger overall. Hence the 800-1100cc's. But riding friends say at least 1100 or 1300 for me as they feel I will outgrow the 800cc's fast. One buddy rides a 2000 Vulcan 900 and wants bigger now. I've found a 04 VTX1300 nearby for less than $3K, seller wants quick sale. He didn't post the miles so I will ask him that soon. Alot of details make it seem the bike is in very good condition.
Just hoping a re-starter bike of 1300cc's wont be too much for me renew my riding abilities. I will ride sparingly and with other rider at first to feel safe as possible to re-start. Thanks for any helpful suggests. I'm in the Houston, TX area, so alot of good riding weather here. Happy, Safe, Riding, hope to be there soon. peace, e.

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Hey, Ernie.

Good luck with that cruiser stance, I think my lower back would last about 5 mins.

The stock 919 seat is not the most comfortable platform for long distance, but even though it has made me saddle sore, I've never had any other comfort issues... Changing the bars is key to that, I think, and I've also dropped the pegs a bit, but I'm taller tehn you.

As I say, good luck finding a cruiser that fits and suits you.
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Hey thanks for that reply mate. Just that there are so many Cruisers for sale here, I just sort of gravitated to that style of bike while shopping on local CL. But I don't really care for that big fenders, Harley style wannabe look they give. That's why the 919 stood out to me when i saw that CL ad. Its' stance looks more to the classic riding style of bikes I used to ride. I've even liked some BMW's I've seen for that style. But they've been abit above my budget. Or just very, very high miles.

Now, one bike that has been at head of my list from the start was the Suzuki M50 (800cc). I liked that it was a sorta Cruiser but didn't have those real big fenders or spoke wheels. I prefer the cast aluminum rims look and sport fenders. But I read a huge thread on another site that says many M50 owners found no grease from the factory in the rear crank case. So the shaft spline went out on a few of their bikes as they were bone dry of any grease. And for those that checked for grease to be there, they found rusty water in their rear, final drive case. So seems there is a leak problem too.

I read that thread that started in like 2006 concerning the M50 models from 2005-2008 or so. And that thread continued to 2016 with folks still speaking of that issue in those early model year M50's with no fix from Suzuki. And that's the model year I'm finding locally. A couple ads I replied to the sellers said they were not aware of such a problem and never had it checked. The M50's I've see for sale are in the 10K-15K miles so that issue may just start to arise as I buy one. So that's kind of put me off of all drive-shaft bikes altogether now. I like the belt-drive systems but would even settle on a chain drive bike again. Just seems simpler is better.

So many bikes for sale in my area at or near my price that I have alot to choose from. But again alot of Vstar 650's or overly modded bobber style japanese bikes. I've not even considered a Harley just from all I've read on bike sites of mechanical issues and over priced parts. But I did find a couple 883s and 1200 Sporsters that look real sharp in my price range. Well the search continues. Can't go test drive any bikes this coming weekend like I wanted to. Wife and I made plans to go with friends to a Louisiana Casino this coming weekend. Not a real big gambler but I may come back with more loot to buy more bike....or lose the $3K I have saved to buy a bike now. ;>) Peace, e.

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Don't worry about engine size. Most riders that sweat engine size can't ride for shit and need throttle to get out of bad situations or bragging rights.

Get what appeals to you and what you'll actually ride. When I started riding again, I out rode 1200 Harley and 1300 vmax and a few other big bore cruisers while on my 89 Honda shadow vlx 600 with a 4 speed. They shut up pretty quickly after the first group ride.

I then had a wise riding mentor take me under his wing and I stopped with group rides for the most part.

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Darn it...

I'm posting updates of my search on other threads where I should prolly be doing that here and not hi-jacking others INTRO threads.

Well, in a nutshell, I've narrowed my search for a '06 919 w/16k miles, no mods just some brand of carbon fiber slipons, I think. Bike looks very clean and owner states it has newer tires and up to date maintenance, IIRC. He's selling at quite a good price by my budget.

The other is a '08 Versys 650, w/14K miles, pretty stock looking. New sprockets,chain and some fluid changes I believe. This bike is priced higher than the 919. Now, I just need to go test drive each one and see which I can live with comfortably for next couple years or more.

I will mostly just be riding weekends with a buddy and his 800 Vulcan. On some country roads near us, 50-65mph, 2 lane blacktops. So I know the 650 could easily cover this for me. But I find the 919 an interesting looking bike and I think I will appreciate the more power later on. If neither of these deals go thru, I will be back searching for a well priced, Wee 650, my first choice. Just that these are rare used and prices are up there from my budget. peace, e

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First test drive completed...

Yepper....that '08 Versys 650 felt pretty dern fast to me afterall.

First time I've ridden a bike in over 10+yrs, so kinda expected that. I'm just proud that I slid the clutch out and rolled smoothly on down the street. Thought sure I might stall it first try or chatter off lurching.

But I went down a few blocks and took it back to seller. It gets fast; real fast. I only made it up to 3rd gear then did a U-ee, both feet on pegs, no dabbing. And I did the U turn at mid block, so some of my skills are still intact.

Its' a fairly tall bike, I had most of both feet flat on the street. But seller had a few places on the bike held together with elec tape and very thin wires. He wouldn't budge on asking price, so I need to consider that.

Still have the '06 919 and maybe a V Strom 650 and another Versys 650 to test drive this weekend. Hope to make a purchase by the weekend. But let's see who'll play ball.

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I bet the 919 will feel smooth as butta compared to the Versys or VStrom.

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but I may never know that now.

Still have the 919 scheduled to go look at but really rethinking this big ol' bike now. I just think this may be the wrong bike for me to renew my riding skills on. After riding that 650 the other day, I realize these aint the same mid-sized bikes I rode back in the past. Just the FI alone gives these bikes way more torque/power on tap than I recalled.

The Versys didn't scare me off but I'm thinking no matter how good a deal that 919 is, I doubt it's the bike I need to re-start on. So many experienced and current riders on these sites are trading/selling their bigger bikes to get into a lower CC bike. Tells me one can live with a less powerful bike that's made these days as opposed to the carbed, mid-sized bikes I've ridden in the past.

Even the lowly thought of Honda NC700 can put me up into speeds I don't plan to travel any time soon So yeah, now that bike is on my shopping list. Just like the looks and features of it. For my riding purposes, at least for a good while anyway. And that's Sunday morning rides and park it by noon or so. This bike is not a NEED but a WANT. Retired and nowhere to be in a hurry, just a fun bike to enjoy now and then with a buddy who rides sparingly as well.

Hope to get more serious bike and riding time later but maybe not. Peace y'all, e.

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but I may never know that now.

Still have the 919 scheduled to go look at but really rethinking this big ol' bike now. I just think this may be the wrong bike for me to renew my riding skills on. After riding that 650 the other day, I realize these aint the same mid-sized bikes I rode back in the past. Just the FI alone gives these bikes way more torque/power on tap than I recalled.

The Versys didn't scare me off but I'm thinking no matter how good a deal that 919 is, I doubt it's the bike I need to re-start on. So many experienced and current riders on these sites are trading/selling their bigger bikes to get into a lower CC bike. Tells me one can live with a less powerful bike that's made these days as opposed to the carbed, mid-sized bikes I've ridden in the past.

Even the lowly thought of Honda NC700 can put me up into speeds I don't plan to travel any time soon So yeah, now that bike is on my shopping list. Just like the looks and features of it. For my riding purposes, at least for a good while anyway. And that's Sunday morning rides and park it by noon or so. This bike is not a NEED but a WANT. Retired and nowhere to be in a hurry, just a fun bike to enjoy now and then with a buddy who rides sparingly as well.

Hope to get more serious bike and riding time later but maybe not. Peace y'all, e.
Don't be afraid of the 919 it's not that powerful or fast. I've ridden plenty of 600/750cc sport bikes that will eat it up. The power is very manageable. You won't hurt yourself unless you're trying to act like an idiot. I went from an 07 GSXR 750 to the 9er and was dissapointed for a while but I got used to it and learned how to utilize the power it does have.

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Don't be afraid of the 919 it's not that powerful or fast. I've ridden plenty of 600/750cc sport bikes that will eat it up. The power is very manageable. You won't hurt yourself unless you're trying to act like an idiot. I went from an 07 GSXR 750 to the 9er and was dissapointed for a while but I got used to it and learned how to utilize the power it does have.
the difference is, the 600 sport bikes will eat it up once you're already well outside lawful behavior. There aren't many 600's that will stick with a 919 from a stop to close to 100 mph without a very capable rider. The power delivery is completely different.

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the difference is, the 600 sport bikes will eat it up once you're already well outside lawful behavior. There aren't many 600's that will stick with a 919 from a stop to close to 100 mph without a very capable rider. The power delivery is completely different.
How so? The specs are almost identical and the 600 weighs about 100lbs or more less than the 919. HP, torque and 0-60 almost the same. Plus you can rev the shit out of the 600 which equals less shifts 0-100

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How so? The specs are almost identical and the 600 weighs about 100lbs or more less than the 919. HP, torque and 0-60 almost the same. Plus you can rev the shit out of the 600 which equals less shifts 0-100
you're talking peak hp and peak torque... power delivery makes a huge difference, especially on launch and low end. If you take two average riders and put them on a 919 and a few year old 600 the 919 is going to be in the lead until well after you've passed the speed limit. IF the 600 rider gets a perfect launch it will be much closer, but the 919 has the low end power advantage, and is much easier to launch well.

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Speed limit ? You said from a dig to 100, lol. But seriously I've ridden/had both and I think it would be much closer than you think. I know for a fact there is No way in hell the 919 would have never, ever ever ever, kept up with my old 07 gsxr750. From any speed. It's night and day. Of course I had a few small mods done but so does my 919. I remember when I test rode my 919 for the first time after the 750. I cracked into the throttle and was like wtf? But that's not why I bought the bike. It's a great bike but nothing to be afraid of is the whole point of my useless rant .
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Still have the 919 scheduled to go look at but really rethinking this big ol' bike now. I just think this may be the wrong bike for me to renew my riding skills on. After riding that 650 the other day, I realize these aint the same mid-sized bikes I rode back in the past. Just the FI alone gives these bikes way more torque/power on tap than I recalled.


I have both a 599 and a 919, and if I wasn't addicted to the torque of the bigger engine, I would be more than happy with the small engine. Even that old carb'd mill will get exciting if you wind it up, and the lighter weight sure helps with cornering transitions. If you're happy with the Versys/V-Strom, I say stick with it. I love the looks of the first gen Versys, and you'll get a lot better fuel mileage and rear tire life from that bike than you would out of the 919.

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Don't be afraid of the 919 it's not that powerful or fast. I've ridden plenty of 600/750cc sport bikes that will eat it up. The power is very manageable. You won't hurt yourself unless you're trying to act like an idiot. I went from an 07 GSXR 750 to the 9er and was dissapointed for a while but I got used to it and learned how to utilize the power it does have.
I think powerful and fast are relative terms. But I agree that the power on the 919 is very manageable. I will admit I don't have a ton of experience with it yet(new owner as of 5 days ago!), but in the few hundred miles I've put on it thus far I've found it to be a very easy going ride. The power is there if you need it but still rides great if you don't use it. My recommendation to you Ernie would be to at least go check it out and test ride it. You might be surprised. I've test ridden a 2009 Versys 650 before and while it is a nice bike I think both bikes will give you a different feel of what they are.
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I love the looks of the first gen Versys, and you'll get a lot better fuel mileage and rear tire life from that bike than you would out of the 919.
I'll have to disagree on this part.

I've gotten upwards of 46mpg cruising at 65 all day long while loaded with gear. Plus I've gotten 12k+ miles out of 2 rear pilot road 2s. That includes track days on both!

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919 is gone...

Sorry, I been away from this conversation/site for some time now. Been mostly hanging out at StromTroopers and TWT sites talking bikes there.

Well heck, that nicely priced '06 919 is sold now, never got a chance to go see it. I just found another 919, very low miles but it's about $700 more than the other one I was considering. And that '06 was just a real bargain...Grrrr.

Once nasty weather clears up here in Houston area, like 70's next week again, I'll be out test riding again. I may just go see this 919 so I can see what y'all are talking about....
...I just gots ta know.

But I do have a '11 V Strom 650 lined up to buy in late January. Seller is waiting for title to arrive in the mail. Then he's gona trailer it down for me to check out. Bike looks very good in pics, seller has owned/sold many bikes and he knows his stuff, so I feel I can trust him. Heck, this is DL650 #6 he will be selling, so he must like em....or hate em as he's on #6 now.

And there are a couple other bikes that have caught my eye. Really liking the Yammie FZ-07 looks and specs. The FZ-09 too but wow alot of folks don't like alot about this bike.

But after test riding that '07 Wee-DL650 a few weeks ago, I kinda really liked that feel, sound, ride of that V Twin. The whole bike just felt right to me. But wanting ABS and just abit newer bike for not much more $$. So hoping the '11 Wee deal will pan out.

So we'll see how she goes. Still on the bike hunt for now but getting very, very close. peace ya'll, e.

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But I do have a '11 V Strom 650 lined up to buy in late January. Seller is waiting for title to arrive in the mail. Then he's gona trailer it down for me to check out. Bike looks very good in pics, seller has owned/sold many bikes and he knows his stuff, so I feel I can trust him. Heck, this is DL650 #6 he will be selling, so he must like em....or hate em as he's on #6 now.
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Sounds like he might be a flipper. Don't be too trusting. Check it out and get a second opinion if you're not sure.

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Wee DL650...

Well, I talked to seller on the phone for a couple hours of this '11 DL650. He is very well known, liked and trusted on the TWT site. He gave me the names of a couple buyers of bikes he's sold in the past. I PM'd them and they said he really knows his bikes well and they are still very happy with the deals the made with him.

This cat just likes to buy bikes, ride em for a couple years or so then flip em to buy yet another. He has like 4-5 bikes now. He said he just couldn't pass up the deals he found on those six Suzuki- DL1000s/DL650s, cause he liked the V Stroms so much. He just bought a Yammie Super Tenere, so he won't be riding this particular DL650 anymore.

Heck, he's gona trailer it to my house from about 3 hours away for no extra charge. And said, if I don't like the bike, just toss him a few bucks for gas and he'll be on his way back home. The bike has a few good performance upgrades that many say the Wee needs. And it's farkled up nicely too.

I feel I have to at least check this bike out. No other similar bike is within my price range nearby. But I am still keeping my eyes open for more local deals too. So I'm good to go and ready to ride. peace, e.

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Welp...

Get some more popcorn Mr Giraffe, you're gona need it!!!

So, the 919's are out and I was ready to buy the '11 V Strom DL650 next Saturday. Then, seller of the '08 V Strom DL1000 texts me that he is dropping the price of his bike now. And it's now the exact same price as the '11 Wee I'm about to buy. GAH!!!!

The '11 Wee is very well farkled up, lots of worn parts were recently replaced at 35K miles now. So I feel the bike is in very good condition. Pics of it look very clean, will see it close up next Sat.

The DL1000 only has 13K miles and besides a rear luggage rack and center stand is all stock. Some fluid changes, not much else done.

The farkles don't really mean that much to me now and I will remove the side/top cases for now. I want to hone my re-riding skills before I do any lengthy road trips, if ever. But from alot I've read, many say the DL650 is a better bike mechanically and can do just about everything the DL1000 can do. And with less headaches that, they say, are inherent of the DL1000.

I just like that I'd be getting a more powerful bike for the same money. As I learn to ride better I can maybe appreciate those extra HP's....or not. If I kill myself trying to relearn to ride on a bigger, more powerful bike. Yeah, sorry about that thought but it's in back of my mind.

I guess many of you don't even consider either of these bikes' as one y'all would even own. But I got thrown a curve with the DL1K sellers same price offer as the smaller DL650. Made me go, Hmmm?

So I just had to get QWERTY about it here to vent I guess. Either way, this madness may all be over soon enough whatever choice I make. Peace y'all, e.

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Go with the 650. Almost all accounts will tell you the Wee-strom was a better bike than the 1000.
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I don't think either bike would be a bad buy. I know a guy locally who put on over 70000kms on a used 1000 before he sold it and bought a new one. His wife had a 650 and put on quite a few miles on hers before she sold it. He said that if you weren't planning to do a bunch of two up riding the 650 is a great bike and would recommend it to anyone.
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Thanks so much...

I pretty much have decided the '11 Wee DL650 is gona be my pick. Considering how I plan to ride for at least next few months, sparingly and close to home. Just seems the DL650 will be the best one to relearn my riding chops again. And yes, many tell me the 650 can do all the 1000 can just with a bit less power and less headaches. Ok.

But wait....don't put your popcorn buckets down just yet, you animals . I just came across a '13 Honda CBR1100 w/low miles and in same price range as these other two bikes. Man, I saw that ad and those pics and it took me back to when I owned my '81 750-4. I had a blast riding that bike for the few months it ran. Yeah, I let it sit for too long and carbs gummed up. I gave it to my bro in law back in the 90s just to move it out of my garage. It still sits on his 15 acre farm all rusted up just south of Austin. They never got it running.

But the CBR 1100 has FI, oil cooler. No radiator in the Houston area...hmm, not sure bout that. I froze my 750-4 one summer in downtown Houston and had to push it off the road and wait til it would fire up again. Never wanted to deal with that again. Don't think this 1100 would do that, I'd hope not.

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Hahaha..The Stig tossing popcorn,

love it. 2011 Wee Farkled Up...."the Angry White Pig"
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post #28 of 34 Old 01-17-2017, 10:08 AM
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love it. 2011 Wee Farkled Up...."the Angry White Pig"
Very nice. I don't think you can go wrong with a V-Strom. They have a great following and do all kinds of meetups and rides all over the place.

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Pass on the cb1100.

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Done and done, son...

Y'all can put the popcorn buckets away and go back to regular grass grazing.

Bought that '11 Wee pictured above this past Saturday. Very happy with the purchase.

Hmm, not sure what I will do with all the extra, no-more-online-shopping-bike sites question asking-Google-searching-time I'll have now...............Oh yeah, go ride the bike I guess. peace y'all, e.
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Awesome man I glad you found a bike. My buddy has a 2012 650. They are great bikes
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Congrats Ernie. You made a good decision. Enjoy!
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Love the Stig with the popcorn! I thought the CB1100 was great looking from a distance across the show room floor and then when I sat on it I can't see that bike being very successful. The 10 year old 919 I bought last fall is just so much more value for $ !

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Congrats on the V-Strom. A friend has the 650 and loves it but wishes it had a bit more mass for the open road. Your new bike has that and it looks great! I had an SV650S last year. That V twin is fantastic! My SV was flawless for 4000 km - I just sold it because it was a bit too small for me.

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