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Idaho Utah Cali Nevada trip

Osiris and I are planning a trip from (myself, Idaho) Utah over to the Redwood National forest and then south along 101 into LA, over to Vegas, then up through Bryce Canyon and Zions in Utah, then back home. About 2700 miles for me, 500 or so less for Osiris.

Here's a simple map of the expected route:

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Here's the thing - Osiris thinks we can do this in like 6 days . I'm thinking this might actually take 2 weeks if we want to do it correctly and actually enjoy ourselves while doing it.

So anyone along the route who has ideas of what roads are good, which detours to take, toll road avoidance, that sort of thing, PLEASE post in this thread.

Any and all are welcome to ride along, as long as you follow the law (mostly ) and know how to ride safely in a group.

Any takers on providing some garage space and maybe a bed or a bite to eat here and there? I will pay. Just trying to reduce the cost of finding a hotel every night.

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It's not my fault if you can't keep up with me! I could prob do it in 4 if I really wanted to!

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It's not my fault if you can't keep up with me! I could prob do it in 4 if I really wanted to!
You'd get 1/4 of the way into Cali before having to spend a few days behind bars .


While is silently cruise on by with my radar detector that is imaginary that I don't have.

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I would definitely do highway 36 which is a few miles south of 299. Don't miss 36 and if you have to pick, the longer and more dangerous but funner road is the way to go. 299 has a TON of shops, stations, places to park etc but it also has more traffic. Some sections are passing friendly so you could wait it out but from my experience through there you'll be stuck in traffic at some point. Unless of course you decide to early bird that section, maybe not so much. 36 on the other hand has maybe 2 stations and only people out hunting or camping. It's essentially a paved service road but it's well kept for the most parts. 299 is pristine. Definitely fill up at the one with the Honda motorcycle at the top of the sign, it's the last one for A LONG ways and I think even till you get to the shore (on 36).

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Pending the dates ill probably meet you in da la area, maybe north of?

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Too bad you're not coming more west through Phoenix and then up north to see Sedona, the ghost towns and the Grand Canyon.

Depending on the days, I might be able to meet you guys in LA on the bike, or the wife and I could drive to meet you guys in LV as I'm sure the wife would enjoy meeting with you guys and catching up.

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If done almost that exact route but started here in Calgary. If you have time, swing thru Valley of Fire national park in Nevada. It's worth checking out. Just don't make the same mistake I did, mid July is not a good time to go. Holy shit it's hot!

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OMG there are a lot of good roads near L.A. I don't know where to begin (no really, I'm not from around here.) Angeles Crest would be a good road, and pretty much on your way - and you could stop at Newcomb's ranch for lunch.

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When you get down this way, I'd like to join up. I'd be riding down from Tehachapi to meet the group.

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How come you guys are skipping the PCH? Don't get me wrong, I like the 101 for getting where I need to go, but you can't beat the coastline for scenery. Of course, if you were to take the 1 it's going to add a bit of time to your trip.

You could also split the difference since you're hitting Monterey (BTW, when you get to Monterey, go have lunch at Compagno's in Pacific Grove, best sandwiches anywhere, tell Bennett the Marines sent you) by taking the 101 to Monterey and then sliding on over to the 1 till you hit LA.

But seriously, when you get to Monterey go to Compagno's. Just be careful with the desserts, his cakes have given people heart attacks.

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Give the trip a proper 2 weeks so you can take some time to see the sights and not kill yourself just riding all day. Planning on doing any hiking within the parks in Utah? Might want to budget half a day at Zion or so. Las Vegas is worth at least 1 night's stay just to explore around the local casinos even if you're not a big gambler. Don't miss your chance to ride the Angels Crest Highway when you get near LA and the canyon roads around Malibu like Mulholland and others. Skip the 101 and take the PCH up between Santa Maria and Monterry - it is well worth it, but try not to get stuck behind slow moving vehicles. Along the PCH by Big Sur is a restaurant called Nepenthe that was highly recommended, but I didn't get a chance to try out last time I was in the area. You're going to be seeing redwoods all the way up the 101 north of San Francisco, so don't miss avenue of the giants which runs parallel to the 101 near Humboldt Redwoods state park. You can cut Eureka out and stay in Fortuna for the night which puts you closer to rt36. Any interest in visiting the Bonneville Salt Flats on the way back?

Are you planning on bringing the Tuono or the 599 for this trip and what's the max range you can get? The only place I ever worried about running out of gas was between Vegas and LA, but now it looks like there's a new Shell gas station in between near Baker.

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So detor you self over to Colorado and ride with The Shadow and I! Looks like a fun trip, how did you swing it with the wife and kids to be away for two weeks?

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Nepenthe is neat, it has a fantastic view of the coastline. It also has a bunch of dirty hippies since they sell all sorts of New Age crap in there. If you get a chance, get down to the beaches near Jade Cove and go jade hunting,It might be harder to find these days but I hear you can still find a bit if you look. My wife has a lot of nice pieces she's used for jewelry that she found while growing up in the area (If you can't find any on the beach they sell it in Nepenthe)

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Ok, so regarding the map above it's COMPLETELY generalized. I have NO IDEA what best roads are out there, this is just the 'loop' we want to make.

So I heard 36, 299, PCH, and a couple of towns along the way. I'll have to look into those.

One limitation on Google Maps when planning a trip is how many 'destinations' or pins you can add on a shared map. Still trying to find a better way to map out the route more precisely.

I might have to stop in Woodland Hills for maybe 4-5 days - we have an office there, so I can work during the day, then ride some roads at night (hopefully). That might help me break this trip up over a couple weeks so I don't have to take as much vacation time.

Anyone live in the Woodland Hills, Simi Valley area I can bunk with? :-D

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Look up Google My Maps to help plan it out.

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be smart... spend at least a couple of days in the "LA" area. so you can enjoy the santa monica mountians, at and at least ride hwy 2 in the angeles crest, and hwy 33 out of ojai.

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Looks like a fun ride! My brother and I are starting to work on a route for a multi-state ride in June - some of the same roads we all rode together on our road trip a couple years ago - through WA & OR, and then heading into northern CA for 3-4 days.
I'll be watching this thread to see how the route progresses. Maybe we can hook up with you guys somewhere between Eureka and Reno for a day or two.

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You do not want to run the 101 out of SFO unless you are just looking to make up time on the interstate. There is absolutely nothing to look at except Alpaca's, cows and oil pumps every so often


My suggestion is to jump on Hwy 1 (PCH) coming off the Golden Gate Bridge and use that route South. It will be slower than the 101, but way way way better scenery all the way to LA

I cannot act right in a group, but I if I know when you are coming through I might be able to add some entertainment value to the ride

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Don't forget highway 35 and a quick stop at Alice's then down 9 back to hwy1
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I'm going to work on re-drawing the route soon. Thanks for all the suggestions, guys.

Does having a radar detector do any good?

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I'm going to work on re-drawing the route soon. Thanks for all the suggestions, guys.

Does having a radar detector do any good?

Nope.

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It'll be a good reference point so you'll know if they wrote the correct speed on your ticket


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C'mon, reroute into Arizona! You know you want to go see Sedona and the grand canyon

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you might want to check out furkot for some route planning help. not sure what nav system you plan to use.. but there's ways to export it...you're a tech guy right you'll figure it out!
ha, i use gps visualizer to convert to various formats... there's also threads in gps section of advrider discussing how to use various systems.. i use apps, but frankly it can be a nightmare till you get used to them.

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I want to go soooo freaking bad.

Can I make a suggestion? It would be a great sin to ride I-15 and not All American Route 12 going up. You can jump on it at Bryce and later merge back in Scipio, UT. I would plan to break up a trip right were rt12 ends at rt24 for some rest and some awesome UT steak at Broken Spur in Torrey, UT. I stayed there on my cross country trip last year and it was awesome, Rt12 considered one of the prettiest routes in the world, National treasure.

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Not as much ride related, but make sure to budget time in the National Parks. You can simply drive through them and see some sights based on how the day is going. If you're tight on time, just pass through. If you've got all day, you'll never regret spending the day in a National Park. Also, you can buy one pass and get into all of them. Getting to the parks is sometimes as beautiful as actually riding in them.

Take the ride up to Sequoia / Kings Canyon. The twisties up into the valley are incredible and riding through the Sequoia groves is awe inspiring even in a car. I can't imagine what it's like on a motorcycle.



Coming out of Vegas, take the ride South down to the North Rim of the Grand Canyon. The last time I was out there we were talking with this group of bikers that had come up from LA and they just couldn't stop talking about how nice it was riding in the National Parks.

Finally, with regard to Zion, you have to give yourself at least a day so that you can either hike the Narrows or go up to Angel's Landing. Ideally you'd do both. Getting up to Angel's Landing to see the sun rise over the valley was a religious experience for me. Just one of those moments you'll never ever forget.





Growing up we always vacationed at National Parks and I'm finding myself drawn back to them for moments like that. Make sure to take lots of pictures and document the trip! You guys'll have a great time.

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I want to go soooo freaking bad.

Can I make a suggestion? It would be a great sin to ride I-15 and not All American Route 12 going up. You can jump on it at Bryce and later merge back in Scipio, UT. I would plan to break up a trip right were rt12 ends at rt24 for some rest and some awesome UT steak at Broken Spur in Torrey, UT. I stayed there on my cross country trip last year and it was awesome, Rt12 considered one of the prettiest routes in the world, National treasure.
I like that suggestions, seems like a nice road - are there enough gas stations in between??? (Speaking of, I'll most likely be taking a couple MSR fuel bottles for extra long jaunts).

PV, I would love to jump down to the Grand Canyon. I'm just not sure I can tack on that much more time to the trip. I might have to even break this one up into smaller bites and maybe spread it over a couple of years.

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DSB_ESQ, those are beautiful pics... I need to learn to take good pictures (I need a new camera, ours got stolen at the last family outing) as well.

So if I had to choose between Bryce, Zion's, or the Grand, which would it be???

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Goog, I didn't take them haha. I used...Google.

If you've got to pick one, I'd make it Zion since it's more or less along your route. Bryce you can drive in, see the Hoodoos, and then kind of get out but it looks like its out of the way of your main route. The North Rim would be much further out of your way, even though it is spectacular.

Zion, you could get to pretty easily, but you really need to do the Narrows or Angel's Landing because they're that special. If you're only going to set aside some time for one, that'd be my choice. Before doing Angel's Landing though, make sure you aren't squeamish about heights...


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My vote is also for Zion. When do you plan on heading out? The North Rim of the Grand Canyon typically doesn't even open until after mid May due to weather.

Speaking of weather, do you have any heated gear or are you planning on taking the one piece suit? The high desert and fog along the PCH can be surprisingly cold. Last time I was riding to the north rim in late May, the temps were in the mid 30's.

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I like that suggestions, seems like a nice road - are there enough gas stations in between??? (Speaking of, I'll most likely be taking a couple MSR fuel bottles for extra long jaunts).

PV, I would love to jump down to the Grand Canyon. I'm just not sure I can tack on that much more time to the trip. I might have to even break this one up into smaller bites and maybe spread it over a couple of years.
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This whole thread is really making me want to get my ass out of Michigan and out west for some riding. I guess that's going to have to be on the to do list over the next couple of years.

The dad of one of my friends used to take motorcycle trips with his buddies for a week or so every year. The first year, they drove their bikes out, rode around, and then all stored them where they ended. The next year, they flew out, fired up the bikes, rode around, then stored them at another location. They kept on doing this for a while and I think it's a pretty cool way to do a motorcycle trip of a far away area without having to ride all the way there yourself. Granted, you can't ride when the bike is in storage, but all you guys with multiple rides could do something like that.

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When do you plan on heading out? The North Rim of the Grand Canyon typically doesn't even open until after mid May due to weather.
x2 on the North Rim, only one way in-out and it is a loooong way there and back. It's well worth it if you are determined to see the rim but I would skip it on your kind of trip

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Late June is the planned dates. And it looks like Zion's will be the best choice.

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Go thru Moab, up HWY 6 into Price and Spanish Fork before getting on I-15.
This means you will need to swing south a bit in Southern Utah.

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Go thru Moab, up HWY 6 into Price and Spanish Fork before getting on I-15.
This means you will need to swing south a bit in Southern Utah.
Yeah, that's almost all the way to Colorado - I don't think I can cut back East that far on the return.

If I do ever go to Moab, I'm not going on a street bike

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Arches is right next to Moab. On a Street Bike it is worth driving thru that. Also HWY6 is a curvey twisty road that goes up thru the mountains and over Soldier Summit and then down Spanish Fork Canyon just south of Provo. It is worth the detour to avoid that southern piece of I-15 from Cedar City to Provo. You'll wear a flat on your tire and run out of gas.

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