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Streets of Willow Springs

Getting ready for this Saturday; found this in the meantime:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_ETv...eature=related

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Have fun out there!!!

Turn 1 is great because its not a corner you normally see on the real road in terms of balls to the wall speed. I only rode SOW once but IIRC its almost flat out and upwards of 115mph.

This guy gets it right:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6tBk...eature=related

The bowl is a fun corner too.

If you get the chance ride Buttonwillow sometime. It's a great racetrack.

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Can't wait.

Tryng to learn the track; came across this one.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4G4JXsD8wQ


After looking at the crash at around 4:01 a few times all I can say is WTF.
All he had to do is lean out a little and keep going.

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Wow, that kid is awesome!

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Wow, that kid is awesome!
A future Nicky Hayden!

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No kidding! If he had an itch on his shoulder he could've scratched it with the pavement.

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Been looking forward to Streets of Willow for a while now.

Paid $275 for TrackDaz Academy for June 28th, but did not make it up there. At 6am that morning I was so exhausted that I decided not to risk hurting myself or others at the track and went to sleep instead.
I'm very disappointed in TrackDaz for not contacting me about the no-show; I was not expecting a refund but an e-mail would've been nice. At least I know who not to book with in the future.

Anyhow, I'm planning on TI2TT's August 2nd track day; plenty of open spots.

I've been checking out clips on YouTube and just found this one; I didn't know they raced at the Streets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHHpA...eature=related

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Been looking forward to Streets of Willow for a while now.

Paid $275 for TrackDaz Academy for June 28th, but did not make it up there. At 6am that morning I was so exhausted that I decided not to risk hurting myself or others at the track and went to sleep instead.
I'm very disappointed in TrackDaz for not contacting me about the no-show; I was not expecting a refund but an e-mail would've been nice. At least I know who not to book with in the future.

Anyhow, I'm planning on TI2TT's August 2nd track day; plenty of open spots.

I've been checking out clips on YouTube and just found this one; I didn't know they raced at the Streets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHHpA...eature=related
Yup WSMC has 4 races there during the year...

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One more week ...

Signed up for August 3rd with TI2TT in the novice group.

Probably bump up at the Big Track on Sept 1st, that's if Jay thinks I'm ready for it. Remember, on two group track days you're running with the advanced group which includes racers on their off weeks.

Jay, can you give me a quick rundown on the best line at the Streets. I noticed that there's different best lines at the Big Track depending on which organization is doing the track day. For example, coming out of 2 TI2TT does not recommend drifting out, more of a straight line to 3. They run a tighter line through 4, 5, and 8. Just little things.

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Never mind about the lines, Jay.
Just watched the last clip I posted; that answers my question.

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Don't have to work Saturday so I called Aaron at TI2TT and changed my track day to Aug. 2.

The Power 2CT's have 1200 miles on them, so they're good to go.
Just have to track prep the bike.

Streets of Willow should be a blast; the back straight is looking real good.

I'll try shooting a video clip in the last session.

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Don't have to work Saturday so I called Aaron at TI2TT and changed my track day to Aug. 2.

The Power 2CT's have 1200 miles on them, so they're good to go.
Just have to track prep the bike.

Streets of Willow should be a blast; the back straight is looking real good.

I'll try shooting a video clip in the last session.

F the video clip, it's a waste of time.

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Is it Saturday yet?

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How many days on these tires at the track. Last time I rode street tires I couldn't believe how little grip they had compared to race tires. I know the
2CT is a good tire just be careful. I would change them every 2-3 track days especially if your riding on the street with them too.

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Only one track day on July 6th; added 1k miles since.

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Another great day in Rosamond. The temperature was a toasty 99F with a little wind in the afternoon.

Took a couple of sessions to figure out the track; which were followed by 15 minute chat sessions with ... (sorry I met too many people today) of Bike Camp 13. He was using a helmet cam to shoot some video, which was then reviewed in detail to discuss the errors made by the rider or some suggestions for improvement.

He was joined by Mike from TI2TT around noon for a demonstration of proper body positions. Mike is a CR who just happened to follow me for a couple of laps in the session before we had the discussion. When he found out that I was riding the 919, he said he needed to talk to me about my position on the bike. Apparently, I have it right from the waist down, but need to hang the upper body into the turn more. He suggested keeping the outside arm straight and weighing the outside peg. Also to push the bike up before coming out of the lean for quicker out-of-turn acceleration.

In the next session, I followed his tips and going into Turn 8 (The Bowl), I pushed my upper body into the turn by straightening my left arm and got my very first knee drag; wasn't expecting it though and reacted by lifting my knee up a bit.

The day got even better after that; I was finally getting it.
I even had a couple of "long" sessions.
I lost track (pun intended) of which group was on the track after having a light lunch and rode around 10 minutes in the B group (intermediate) followed by the 20 minute C group. And at 4pm, a lot of riders had already left, so the 20 minute C session was followed by a 30 minute open session. I had the whole track to myself for a couple of laps but only did 20 minutes. I was getting mentally tired and did not want to ruin a great track day.

I have more but too tired right now.

BTW I forgot to mention that the Skid Pad (turn 14) is really bumpy, especially the inside. I lost the rear for a split second accelerating onto the front straight when I was trying different lines through Turn 14. Thank goodness for my quick reaction.

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Nice write up! Congrats on the kneedragging!

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Very nice pics. I think those should be on the Veloce Website

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Good pics. You need to drop your head a little like your trying kiss the mirror. Shift your butt off leaving one cheek on. You elbow are up good for steering and feedback. I want to see some knee dragging photos.

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Very nice pics. I think those should be on the Veloce Website
Thanks; maybe after I get the Primus suit.



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Good pics. You need to drop your head a little like your trying kiss the mirror. Shift your butt off leaving one cheek on. You elbow are up good for steering and feedback. I want to see some knee dragging photos.

Yeah, I talked to one of the CRs about that. He had followed me for a couple of laps right before a demonstration on body positions that he was putting on.
Besides dropping my head, he recommended keeping the outside arm straight.

I'll get it right at the Big Willow on Sep. 1.

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Don't hate me, but I just signed up for Friday, 12/05 at the Streets of Willow. Since it's the first track day on the Tuono, I'm doing Level 1.
With Fastrack Riders, 1:35 and under is L3, 1:36 to 1:49 is L2, and L1 is 1:50 and over. I might not be fast, but I'm slow.

Here's a nice track map : http://www.fastrackriders.com/tracks...w-streets.html

Hope it doesn't snow.

On a side note, Peter Lenz, the 11 year old racer I posted about, has been spotted at the Keith Code school at SOW the last few months. The kid's pretty quick on a 150cc bike with a top speed of 91 mph. Check out his video clip in post #4.

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I was telling Phil (TuonoR6) about T2 and T8 at SOW; here's a good view, except hold on for T8

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The camera guy could've made the turn.

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Called target fixation. It looks like the rider in front ran out of tire. Hes needs to hang off more. I know I have done the same bone head move. What kind bike was the camera bike sounds weird at certain rpm. I know its a twin but it sounds like it's got a big miss. That would scare the crap out of me if I'm rolling on the throttle at the apex of a turn.

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Plus he was all over the track; poor throttle control and line selection, on top of bad BP.

That's the reason I recommend a track school before doing a track day.
Could've been avoided if he had done level 1 at Keith Code's school.


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Yeah on that double apex he was way off line and poor set-up for next turn. Both had poor throttle control. Only rolling on at the exit of the turn. Man I want to hit that track up it looks like fun. I have only done the big track about 11 years ago.

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I'm starting to hate the Big track. It's a freakin' oval with 3 left turns.

Streets of Willow is a good learning track. Very technical with lots of transitions. Can't wait till I run Buttonwillow and Chuckwala next year.

Chuckwala is a new track that should be completed soon. It's in the Palm Springs area.

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Yeah big track just takes big balls. It's not very technical only one real hard braking area.

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Woohoo, one more day.



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Another great day at Willow Springs.

During tech inspection, Fastrack staff install a lap timer to keep track of sandbaggers riding in the wrong groups.
Didn't know they required safety wiring the crankcase. I don't even know where the drain plug is located.

After the rider's meeting, I had Randy from Inhouse Suspension dial in the Tuono. He stiffened the shock to help with the tracking and the forks for less input at turn-ins. The bike handled like a dream, especially on the bumps in the Horseshoe (Turn 14). Turning was almost effortless. Worth every penny of the $40 fee.

Talked to the Michelin guy (no, not the one on the side of the tires) from Racer's Edge about tire pressures. He recommends 32 f/r for the DCIII, and 36f/34r for the Power 2CT. When I told him everyone else, including racers, recommended 30 f/r for the 2CT,he just asked "Are they Michelin dealers?".

First session was a little cold, fogging up the shield, but not as bad as I had expected. Rode easy to get the feel of the suspension adjustment.
In session 2, I started working on my lap times. The best at California Superbike School a couple of months ago on the 919 was 1:54:740.
My best for sessions 2,3,4, and 5 were 1:47, 1:43, 1:41, and 1:41.

Session 6 was delayed by 10 minutes. Someone's lap timer had fallen off the bike and the staff and corner workers were combing the track searching for it.
Once we got on the track, I was held up over and over again by slower riders screwing up my lines. That was the most frustrating time in all the track days I've done so far. It was a waste of time on the track. My lap times went up to 1:45s.

After the session, I asked for a bump up to level 2. After Dave, the main guy at Fastrack, checked my lap times, he went ahead and updated their computers and gave me a new number sticker.

Session 7 was the best one for me. I ended up behind a pretty girl (yeah, I can see through helmets ) on a Gixxer. I had a great time chasing her and learning from her lines. Out of 8 laps that were clocked, I had four low 1:40s, and I know which part of the track I need to work on. I can pick up some time in the Bowl, still not nailing the best line.

At the end of Session 7, they removed all the lap timers from the bikes, so in Session 8 I concetrated on keeping the corner speed up and working on hitting the proper line through the Bowl. I had a KTM supermoto bike tailing me, so was riding a clean line trying not to block him. Midway through the session, I took the outside line through Turn 14 and got stuffed off the track by the KTM. He was taking the inside line and went wide on the exit and almost ran into me. I reacted quickly by chopping the throttle and steering off the track to give him room. Needless to say, my concentration was off for most of the next lap, but I recovered and finished the session. I hunted him down in the pits to find out what the problem was, I thought he was pissed at me for some reason. He was very apologethic and told me he was riding a friends bike and wasn't used to the KTM. He rode his sportbike all day and was checking out the SM bike. The owner of the bike came over and confirmed his story. Oh well, stuff happens.

The ride home was great. I had a grin from ear to ear. What a track day is all about, having fun while you're learning.

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That Tuono looks strangely familiar except for those funky Veloce decals. j/k

Glad the track day went well for you Mike.

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Great writeup and pics Mike. Glad you had fun.

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Thanks guys.

Is it a co-inky-dinky that the last 4 posts were from Mikes?

Forgot to mention a couple of things. This was the biggest gathering of V-twins I've seen. KTMs galore and a flock of ducks. Oh, and a 04 RSV with gheied out graphics.

The ambulance stayed parked at the end of the skidpad all day. Only two crashes for the whole day; a girl in the track school went down at T11 with no injuries and someone in Level1 went wide out of T2 and crashed, again no injuries.

Lots of compliments on the beauty of the Tuono. And a couple of questions on where I found her. My pit neighbor liked the blacked out light cover and wanted to do something similar to his R6.

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GLad to here you had fun on her. I guess the tires worked well and 32f and r seems the norm. If it was warmer you might want to go up a pound or 2 in the rear.

The oil drain is on left side of bike the black tank. It's on the bottom there is another drain behind the tube next to the cover for the filter.

I'm glad your enjoying it how did the slipper work for you. It's finally back and it's place it likes the best the track.

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Oh yeah, she was bred for the track. Now I know what you mean about the turn-ins. On T12 and T13, quick right-left transition right before the Horseshoe, I would be on top of the apex before gently steering it; it handled like it was on rails.

My goal is to shave off 4-5 seconds in 2 more track days at the Streets.
Level 2 lap time range is 1:36-1:49 at SOW. At least with Fastrack.

I still need help with the slipper clutch.

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