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post #2 of 21 Old 06-07-2017, 07:26 PM
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It's amassing how addictive this thrill for speed is! In these three cases they paid the ultimate price. I just hope their families take comfort in knowing they died doing something they truly loved.
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Most likely it won't be. Every year usually 5-10 riders meet their end there.

I'm not sure how these riders even get on their bikes with their huge balls of steel. It's by far the sickest motorcycle races on earth.

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post #4 of 21 Old 06-10-2017, 07:32 AM
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Maybe they were just not as good as they thought they were.
I can't see myself watching it for the fact that death may take a rider in real time.

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Maybe they were just not as good as they thought they were.
I can't see myself watching it for the fact that death may take a rider in real time.
No, most are professional sponsor backed riders. Extremely talented. Accidents happen all the time in the MotoGP series, considered the worlds best riders, but they race on tracks with run-off areas, so deaths are rare.

Also, IOM TT races are never live, all the televised content is edited. You'll never see anyone die. Personally I watch it because it's some of the best racing you'll see aside from MotoGP on a mountain course, 38 miles per lap. The side cars are awesome as well. They even had electric bikes this year.
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post #6 of 21 Old 06-10-2017, 11:52 AM
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"Davey Lambert made his Mountain Course debut at the Manx Grand Prix in 2014, where he finished 4th in the Newcomers A race, and 24th in the Junior Manx Grand Prix race, that same year."


"Jochem made his Isle of Man TT debut last year, where he finished 44th in the Superbike TT, 34th in the Superstock TT, and 36th in the Senior TT."


"..........we regret to report that Alan Bonner, from County Meath in Ireland, died during today’s qualifying session for the Senior TT, in an incident at the 33rd Milestone.

The 33-year-old made his Isle of Man TT debut in 2014, and quickly found pace on the Mountain Course. As such the next year, he had his highest finish ever, with an impressive 15th place in the 2015 Senior TT."

The equipment is too powerful for the course these days. Not because I say, but because it is.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...rse_fatalities

It isn’t because of the equipment being too powerful. Unless the equipment has always been too powerful.

There’s too much road furniture, it’s raced on residential streets and through a mountain. There will always be fatalities as long as the race is held, and the island’s economy desperately needs the race to be held.


I think this picture puts into perspective how different the race is to others, and that 130+mph average speed the superbikes tend to get on it.


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post #8 of 21 Old 06-19-2017, 04:35 PM
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where'd you get that course map diagram? I'd like to download one in high-rez...

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I know the Island's economy desperately needs the infusion but you got to be insane not to be moved by the incredible number of deaths there.
God Damn it!
Oh, and BTW, the "furniture" as you call it has always been there. 200 HP bikes................not so much, and I am a fan of big horsepower.
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Yeah. My point is that the road furniture was just as much a hazard with bikes that had a tenth of the power of modern superbikes.

MotoGP riders survive with 250hp (admittedly on tracks that are made to be as forgiving as possible for crashes), so power is very much a minor factor for TT deaths. They could hold it on derestricted 50cc scooters and still get one or two deaths.

I’m absolutely moved by the death toll that the Isle of Man TT has amassed. Watching TT3D: Closer to the Edge and Road help explain the draw of it for the competitors to me. Especially the Dunlops.

It doesn’t help that I knew my uncle died on a motorbike (so it was drummed into me from an early age just how dangerous motorbikes can be) before I was born and watched Ayrton Senna die on live TV as a 9 year old, so I knew the dangers of Motorsport too.

However, every time I watch footage of it, it does a few things for me:
1) Makes me want to go on a track day at a purpose built circuit.
2) Makes me never want to ride anywhere near my limit on public roads.
3) Makes me want to spectate live at least once.
@VintageHunter - I found this diagram on Reddit, https://www.reddit.com/r/sports/comm...JG&sh=ae0f810d hopefully it will give you a higher res to work with.


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@steev:

thanks. got the higher rez image. going to have it printed on 24x36 and put up on me wall.

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very much shame about these riders. But, consider this, I'm sure that if these riders woke up one day and were told "you have cancer" or "you have a heart condition and can't ride", that would definitely be far worse than what happened to them. At least they left our plane of existence doing something they LOVED and not sitting, bed ridden, rotting away.
Don't morn for them. They are now in a far better place then those they leave behind. No worry mates, we'll all be there too............someday............but not today.

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very much shame about these riders. But, consider this, I'm sure that if these riders woke up one day and were told "you have cancer" or "you have a heart condition and can't ride", that would definitely be far worse than what happened to them. At least they left our plane of existence doing something they LOVED and not sitting, bed ridden, rotting away.
Don't morn for them. They are now in a far better place then those they leave behind. No worry mates, we'll all be there too............someday............but not today.

That's a pretty weak analogy at best. Point being is is this:


Isle of Man TT race claims racer deaths number 249 and 250


That was as of one hear ago, the 7th of June.

Tough price to pay for entertainment.

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You’re right. So what’s the solution?


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What makes you think I have to come up with a solution, amigo?
I don't watch the race any longer as it is.
What other event can you find that a participant is statistically guaranteed to die
every single time it is held?

I for one can't support the event by watching it.

But don't be confused or misled. Just because I can't and won't view it doesn't mean I'll demand that of others. Fuck that bullshit. Make up your own minds.

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there are only two choices in the IOM.
you shut it down due to some bean counters numbers regarding too many deaths, or you keep it running and the hell with the statistics. That's it.
there aint no "but can we make the island safer to race +200mph rockets on?"...............NOPE. only two choices.
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"Bean" counter counting the number of deaths? That's fucking arrogant of you. The mother fucking stats are there in plain English.
You can't spin that even if you were Hillary Fucking Clinton!

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I'm not sure what there is to be so upset about. These guy knew the risk and chose to race anyways. It is no different from us riding on the street.

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Yep. I had a read of the TT tech Rules and requirements to get a race license, along with what their Marshals responsibilities are. They do the best they can to minimize risk. It isn’t enough for the FIM, but they aren’t beholden to them.


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Lets see.

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so, bigdaa....I'm not sure why you're commentary on my "ASS-U-med" arrogance.
If you could, elaborate a bit.

I'm merely stating a fact that the IOM organization has some behind the scene business folk who strategically plan "hey, every year we depend on this race for a source of income, we need to calculate how many riders may perish. if it's "X" amount, we continue the event. If it's "X+" amount then we shut it down".

So I'm not sure why you are so upset at my statement?




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"Bean" counter counting the number of deaths? That's fucking arrogant of you. The mother fucking stats are there in plain English.
You can't spin that even if you were Hillary Fucking Clinton!

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so, bigdaa....I'm not sure why you're commentary on my "ASS-U-med" arrogance.
If you could, elaborate a bit.

I'm merely stating a fact that the IOM organization has some behind the scene business folk who strategically plan "hey, every year we depend on this race for a source of income, we need to calculate how many riders may perish. if it's "X" amount, we continue the event. If it's "X+" amount then we shut it down".

So I'm not sure why you are so upset at my statement?

Why didn't you say so in the first place that those words you typed weren't yours.
Like I said, no other sporting event out there guarantees multiple deaths per event per year.
NONE!
That's my point.
Nobody can change the stripes on this zebra.

Carry on.

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