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So, bar-hopping a few weekends ago, I lost the only key to my 2006 919. I have the little stamped aluminum plate that came with the key, but every lock smith I called told me that it wasn't the right number, and they couldn't cut a key from it. I called the dealer, who simply referred me to another lock smith, who told me the same thing. Where I'm at now is trying to remove the ignition cylinder, since the dealership told me that's what I'd have to do to get a key cut. Since you have to drill out the bolts on the back to get it, you have to remove the top of the tree. I unbolted the big center bolt, removed the headlight and gauge cluster as good as I could(can't get the cluster all the way off since the steering is locked to the left) and undid the clamp bolts on the forks. What do I do now? It doesn't want to lift off.

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So, bar-hopping a few weekends ago, I lost the only key to my 2006 919. I have the little stamped aluminum plate that came with the key, but every lock smith I called told me that it wasn't the right number, and they couldn't cut a key from it. I called the dealer, who simply referred me to another lock smith, who told me the same thing. Where I'm at now is trying to remove the ignition cylinder, since the dealership told me that's what I'd have to do to get a key cut. Since you have to drill out the bolts on the back to get it, you have to remove the top of the tree. I unbolted the big center bolt, removed the headlight and gauge cluster as good as I could(can't get the cluster all the way off since the steering is locked to the left) and undid the clamp bolts on the forks. What do I do now? It doesn't want to lift off.
I went through the same scenario with a used '04 CBR 600 F4i with no key, locked fork, and no access to the battery. If you know the dealer who originally sold the bike, the month/year it was sold, and you are the original owner; the key code should be written on the pre-delivery inspection sheet. Dealerships will keep this information for at least 7 years figuring on 3 year warranty with a four extension for an additional fee. It serves as proof of the "in service date." The locksmith who cuts a new key needs to know that the key code is in reverse order.

Either your Dealer is stupid, lazy, or would rather replace all your lock cylinders with new ones and churn a buck.

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I went through the same scenario with a used '04 CBR 600 F4i with no key, locked fork, and no access to the battery. If you know the dealer who originally sold the bike, the month/year it was sold, and you are the original owner; the key code should be written on the pre-delivery inspection sheet. Dealerships will keep this information for at least 7 years figuring on 3 year warranty with a four extension for an additional fee. It serves as proof of the "in service date." The locksmith who cuts a new key needs to know that the key code is in reverse order.

Either your Dealer is stupid, lazy, or would rather replace all your lock cylinders with new ones and churn a buck.

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I'm the second owner, and no clue of the original dealer. I do have the key code, but I was told by all locksmiths that it was one digit short. I'll try again Monday, maybe just tell them to cut the key regardless.

And yeah... the more I deal with the dealer here, the more I think they're both stupid and lazy. I can not -stand- them, but they're the only dealer within an hour of me.

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huskey, it might be worth a shot to call honda u.s. headquarters with your vin # and find either the keycode from them or order a key from them. they'll surely have it on record somewhere.

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The code can be had without removing the cylinder! I lost the key to my 04 a couple of years back and was told the same thing...pull the ignition blah blah blah. The trick to getting my key cut was reversing the numbers, and it was done in a dealers parts department.



Bars are full cranked left like it's locked (even though its not) use the VIN as a reference. The letters are hard to read but I was able to read them off. Best of luck to you.

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The code can be had without removing the cylinder! I lost the key to my 04 a couple of years back and was told the same thing...pull the ignition blah blah blah. The trick to getting my key cut was reversing the numbers, and it was done in a dealers parts department.



Bars are full cranked left like it's locked (even though its not) use the VIN as a reference. The letters are hard to read but I was able to read them off. Best of luck to you.
That is good to know! Consider this "Filed away until I lose my own keys"

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Besides all that is already metioned. Isn't it easier to get the seat lock to the locksmith? Same key, just sayin.

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Do you need to take off the seat to do that?

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Do you need to take off the seat to do that?
I would think so, I have no idea how you would remove it with the seat on the bike. maybe rickard knows something I don't



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While I believe it is possible to get the seat off without the key, lock cylinders tend to be less picky on non-ignition components. While the key for the seat may work, it may not work for the ignition. However, if they are having problems cutting a key with the code, you may take the seat lock to a locksmith to get someone an idea of what the key should be cut like.

As far as getting the seat off, I don't think there's much to it. 4 bolts in the grab bar, 2 in the tail piece, and 2 of those plastic...whatever the hell they are. After removal of those, pull on the tail and the seat will pop loose for you.

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Do you need to take off the seat to do that?
If you pull the tail light lens off, remove the right bulb you should be able to unlatch it with a screw driver.There was a thread on doing it a long time ago. I can't seem to find it.
Found it. https://www.wristtwisters.com/f94/los...-key-9720.html

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huskey, it might be worth a shot to call honda u.s. headquarters with your vin # and find either the keycode from them or order a key from them. they'll surely have it on record somewhere.
Unless you are the original owner, you will not get the key code from the Dealer or American Honda; Vin # or no Vin #. We had to coerce the seller(original owner) to return to the dealer with us, prove who he was, and have the sales manager track down the original pre-delivery inspection sheet where the key code was written down. It was a royal pain in the ass, but we were able to get the code and have the key cut.

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If you pull the tail light lens off, remove the right bulb you should be able to unlatch it with a screw driver.There was a thread on doing it a long time ago. I can't seem to find it.
Found it. https://www.wristtwisters.com/f94/los...-key-9720.html
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Sticky-worthy. If it isn't on there already.

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Unless you are the original owner, you will not get the key code from the Dealer or American Honda; Vin # or no Vin #.
sorry but this is not true. my first 919, i was able to get a key code sent to me from honda u.s.a. after faxing them a copy of the title in my name.

for my 89 vlx, i was able to get a spare key from honda usa while they were processing the lien hold removal for the previous owner, of which i bought the bike from. never had an issue.

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sorry but this is not true. my first 919, i was able to get a key code sent to me from honda u.s.a. after faxing them a copy of the title in my name.

for my 89 vlx, i was able to get a spare key from honda usa while they were processing the lien hold removal for the previous owner, of which i bought the bike from. never had an issue.
You had better luck than I did.

I attempted the same thing and was denied.

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I attempted the same thing and was denied.

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well that really sucks then... i will admit i had help from a friend that worked at a honda dealership. maybe that played a role?

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That is good to know! Consider this "Filed away until I lose my own keys"
it's easier to have spares cut now

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well that really sucks then... i will admit i had help from a friend that worked at a honda dealership. maybe that played a role?
A little help from the inside was probably the difference.



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This may be something to consider: The seat lock is definately not as picky of a cylander, and is definately easier to get to, BUT: (and I have no idea...) are they the same? The key only goes in so far in the seat but all the way in in the ignition. Makes me wonder if they are different. This may or may not be a good comparison but the key to most ignitions in vehicles (cars and trucks, not bikes) have one tick more than the door tumbler does. Example- Cutting a key to my 07 silverado, they screwed up the last tick and it will open the doors but not turn the ignition. I'm wondering if it will work based on the same concept. There is a possibility that the cylander only wants the first few cuts of the key in the rear, where the ignition uses the whole key pattern. That said, if this is the case, cutting a key to fit the seat lock still will not turn in the ignition. I doubt this is the case, I doubt they are like cars in that respect, but something to think about perhaps.

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That is good to know! Consider this "Filed away until I lose my own keys"
Well thanks to Beefsalad

I was loosing hope, and my itch from not being able to ride while the sun is shining is growing due to lost keys,( will make several spares and stash everywhere if this works)
I Ifound the code where your image points to and will hope to have some results from the local dealer in the morning.
It's amazing how the techs seem unfamiliar with tis scenario of lost keys, and even told me the tank and ignition may need replacing.
Will post results hoping for success!
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Refer to my original post if cutting the key in the normal way does not work. And as far as replacing cylinders, forget about it. If neither of those cuts work, get the ignition cylinder off and take it to a locksmith. Any locksmith worth his weight can break it down, find out the proper depths, and cut you a key to match. After a smith picked his way into my house, he re-keyed the cylinder on my deadbolt to match a set of keys he already had. (I really should blog about that experience, it's sickening how fast someone can pick their way into your house)

If you are not familiar with removing the ignition, there are 'security' measures in place to make it difficult. I knocked the security feature out with a punch and a hammer, then attacked it with a Torx bit if I remember correctly.

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after reading posts like this...... as soon as i bought my bike in march I went and got a spare key cut. it sits at home in a safe location. My advise to anyone who has a key....... get another cut now!

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Can anyone cut the key or do I need to go through the dealer?

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Can anyone cut the key or do I need to go through the dealer?
Any locksmith can cut a key from an original if they have the proper key blank.



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it's easier to have spares cut now
Absolutely. Buy a $5 Honda blank online and have a local locksmith cut it. That's what I did. Be sure and test it in the ignition and seat lock - he had to fiddle with mine a couple of times to get it working smoothly.

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Can anyone cut the key or do I need to go through the dealer?

Well,here is my results of loosing my keys this weekend with wheel locked.
Honda Canada was of no help, they just instructed to have the ignition tumblers redone,or take it to a locksmith.
I found the code on my bike and called it in to locksmith and picked up 2 new keys for $20 and they worked,not good for a thief to know this though.
But real glad!Honda will tell you that you cannot make a key from a key code, they said you guys were not credible because you are on the internet.I would like to call the guy back and tell him a thang or 2....
Much thanks to you guys, after the run around with Honda dealerships that knew nothing and customer "specialty service", the best advice was right here. The locksmith even told me it would have cost a lot of money to come up and pull the ignition.
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Great stuff!

When I lost my key a few months ago, my wife got the spare out of our safe and brought it over to where I was stranded. A few days later I had a spare organised and programmed and locked away in the safe again.

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I keep my original key in a safe place and use the spare everyday. I figure if I lose the spare, no biggie. I can always make another copy of the original.

Having seen Multiplicity, I know what ills can befall you when you make a copy of a copy.

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I keep my original key in a safe place and use the spare everyday. I figure if I lose the spare, no biggie. I can always make another copy of the original.

Having seen Multiplicity, I know what ills can befall you when you make a copy of a copy.
The copy of the copy wasn't too bad. But the copy of the copy of the copy of the copy was a little, yeah, messed up.

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I ordered a key blank due to this thread. I'm sure one day it will my ass!

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I ordered a key blank due to this thread. I'm sure one day it will my ass!
uh, you left a verb out of that sentence. My mind is afloat looking for the correct one....lol. It's quite funny here in my head!

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I keep my original key in a safe place and use the spare everyday. I figure if I lose the spare, no biggie. I can always make another copy of the original.

Having seen Multiplicity, I know what ills can befall you when you make a copy of a copy.
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I ordered a key blank due to this thread. I'm sure one day it will my ass!
Verb or not, I'm online looking now, I'd better too. I've only had one key for 3 years now, so far so good, but now im frantically trying to find something wood to knock on...

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It is not a good feeling having it sitting in your shed locked up with no keys in sight.

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It is not a good feeling having it sitting in your shed locked up with no keys in sight.
Better then say...losing it in SE DC and not being able to get a copy for several days...but no, it is not a good feeling.

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