CB1000r in USA for 2011?

[MotoCycho]

I can't find any real information on whether or not the CB1000r is coming to the states or Canada. I have aligned myself for a new bike in the next few months and the CB1000r was on the top of the list. In its apparent absence, I am leaning towards the 2011 or a left over 2010 z1000.

I feel Honda is abandoning us here in the states. Bringing to the table what they want us to buy rather than what we want to ride. It makes no sense to me why they can't add the CB1000r to the current line up. I am just pissed off now and am seriously ready to jump ship! The 919 is a great bike but is so 2002. WTF Honda?

Anyone with a 2010 z1000 can comment on seating position, suspension, the new motor.. anything? A comparo to the 919 would be greatly appreciated.

Any one interested in some 919 bits? Was going to return her to as stock as possible and unload the extras.

[g00gl3it]

Possible dibs on the fly screen if you are willing to part with it....PM sent.

[OSIRIS]

List what ya got! I am very anxious to get some cheaper than new mods on my 9er.

[MotoCycho]

Just getting a feel for interest at moment. I'll list what will become available when I am sure I am selling. I placed pic as a teaser.

[PAULIBIKER]

I just don't like the new Z. The front fork/tank/headlight area just looks so BIG. Kinda like the B King.

I love the CB1000, but don't think Honda will bring it.

Dibs on the exhaust.

[bigdealdave]

The new z1000 is baddazz. I'm gettin one soon as my bike sells

[Farab]

The new Z1000 looks good in the metal.

MotoCycho, I hear what you are saying. Never say never, but I can't see my next bike being a Honda. They have become far overpriced as to what you can reasonbly gel a price tag to one of their bikes to. I'm not a cheap skate, I just like to be able to marry up a price tag to a particular bike and the last 18 months, I have not been able to marry up the new Honda price tags to their bikes (kkeping the usual Honda premium in mind). They are also the ones that pushed up the 1L bike prices from sub 20K to approx NZ$25K over here. (they lead the way and soon the rest followed), that was a 25% increase just like that!

I have said it in a past thread, but is just grates me that the relatively smaller (in bikes) Kawasaki can put a new model (Z1000) on the floor with a brand new engine designed specifically for it, linked rear suspension (unlike the CB1R), better instrumentation, etc., 2 years after the launch of the CB1R, at NZ1K list price CHEAPER than the Honda. The Honda being the one with an "old" engine and drive train taken from the 2007 Blade, so R&D pretty much done. (ok they slapped a CBF's top on it and ran a few tests) Basically old technology in a pretty package.

It is a fun bike, but just not worth the price tag IMO, once the warm fuzzy feeling of the test ride has subsided you start thinking logically about what the bike actually is, compared to the price tag.

I may still get me one, but maybe in a year or 2 if they start dropping (getting real) the price.

[Pvster]

what ive found regarding sales in america of the cb100r. theres some hope yet.

2010 Honda CB1000R Review - Motorcycle.com

[2007BruteForece]

Moto - Is that an aftermarket seat on the niner? If so, what brand. I might be interested in it.
Did you have you headers ceramic coated? the picture makes them look almost chrome

[illusivedreams]

American prices dictate part of the problem,

In the USA the prices of cars and Motorbikes are very cheap compared to most parts of Europe and definetly Asia/Australia.

So the R&D is not worth it. The USA gets a cheaper price but some times trails in getting the lates models.

Its fair...

Come to NZ, Australia and parts of Europe and see what things cost you will suddenly feel lucky...

[illusivedreams]

Ps it costs around $20,000,000 to develop a baisic motor alone...
the chassis and other things *30 models in the range do the numbers...

The profit is not there.. Trust me I own a motorbike wholesale business..

[Farab]

Originally Posted by illusivedreams

Ps it costs around $20,000,000 to develop a baisic motor alone...
the chassis and other things *30 models in the range do the numbers...

The profit is not there.. Trust me I own a motorbike wholesale business..

Which validates my point, how come can the relatively smaller Kawasaki develop a brand new engine (and drive train?) from the ground up for the new Z1000, have better suspension and other tricks (on face value) than the CB1R and still release it NZ$1K cheaper than the already 2 year old Honda CB1R with "old" technology?!

Honda needs to get real with their pricing.

[07919Dave]

I believe the CB1R was developed in Italy so the real conversion that should be looked at is the cost of R&D and the cost of it being built in Euro's then convert that to NZ$, US$, or CAN$ and find if it would be worth selling there, AND if there is a market for it in that country. In the US there is a market but it is so small that buying the rights to sell it here and then the currency conversion is the problem. Even though it is a Honda (And we would naturally think it is all one big company with rights distributed equally it really isn't) motorcycle, seeing how it was developed by Honda R&D Europe (ITALIA) S.R.L. and that Honda Italia Industriale S.P.A. owns the rights to it, Honda of America still has to buy the rights from them to sell it the US market. And I believe it would still have to be built in Italy and then shipped to the US.

[MotoCycho]

Originally Posted by 2007BruteForece

Moto - Is that an aftermarket seat on the niner? If so, what brand. I might be interested in it.
Did you have you headers ceramic coated? the picture makes them look almost chrome

Seat is a Sargent re-cover and is not going unless you can include your factor seat in exchange with no holes etc.

The headers are ceramic coated.. again.. same deal applies. I need headers obviously.

For the record.. I am not parting this bike out.. at least that wasn't the plan. Guess for the right price anything is possible.

You vultures need to back the hell off. I'll let ya know when i am ready to make move. Gonna be a couple months at least.

[Bigdaa]

One thing is fer sher...........you'll get a much bigger kick in the ass with that Z1000 over your Hornet. While the article lists 123 crank HP for the 1000r Honda(which seems way anemic) you are guaranteed to get that and maybe more rear wheel on the Z1000. One more thing, that Kwak motor can't be blown up with a Claymore. Honda=stout, Kwak=legendary.
PS, you know your gonna dump the exhaust and get a PC anyway. So the looks of the "waste router" are really moot.


BTW, I do dig the 1000r. Very nice, but NO TOUCH! Get it?

[Farab]

Originally Posted by Bigdaa

One thing is fer sher...........you'll get a much bigger kick in the ass with that Z1000 over your Hornet. While the article lists 123 crank HP for the 1000r Honda(which seems way anemic) you are guaranteed to get that and maybe more rear wheel on the Z1000. One more thing, that Kwak motor can't be blown up with a Claymore. Honda=stout, Kwak=legendary.
PS, you know your gonna dump the exhaust and get a PC anyway. So the looks of the "waste router" are really moot.


BTW, I do dig the 1000r. Very nice, but NO TOUCH! Get it?

+ did they mention that the CB1R is approx 25kg's heavier than the 919?

[bigdealdave]

cb1000r 123hp 73 tq
z1000 138hp 85 tq

measured from the crank

[MotoCycho]

Originally Posted by bigdealdave

cb1000r 123hp 73 tq
z1000 138hp 85 tq

measured from the crank

Got the wet weights?

[Farab]

From what I can find, both approx 218kg's (480 lbs).

[bigdealdave]

they're almost the same but the honda's like 5 pounds heavier.

[bigdealdave]

Real World Superbikes: Honda CB1000R v Kawasaki Z1000 - Road Tests - Visordown

[Farab]

^ Thanks for posting that, I enjoyed reading that.

[Farab]

The 2 times I got seat time on a CB1R was fun though. I don't think I did corners on anything as I managed to do on the CB1R. It was incredibly easy to flick into and ride "through" corners at a fair clip.

[bigdealdave]

no prob.
article says the Honda is actually 2 lbs lighter wet @ 478

[AllanB]

The New(ish) CB feels like a roid-pumped 919 - wheelbase is very similar as is the steering geometry to the 919. Wet weights very similar. It is a very nice bike.

The Honda has a better low and midrange pull that the Kawa which is a typical Kawa rev head. The Kawa looks good with a after-market pipe as the stock ones suck-arse.

Unfortunately the price of the Honda in New Zealand kills any hope of me buying one - maybe if I took a tub of KY into the bike shop I'd get a lucky 7k trade price on my 919 - I'm still looking at a 12k changeover! IMO I'd be better off spending $3k on fancy Ohlins gear front and rear on the Hornet and still have 9k change. Oh - ohlins is bloody expensive in NZ too!

Ditto a new Kawasaki, speed triple or Monster.

Consequently the Honda will be in my garage for some time yet.

[Farab]

Originally Posted by AllanB

Unfortunately the price of the Honda in New Zealand kills any hope of me buying one - maybe if I took a tub of KY into the bike shop I'd get a lucky 7k trade price on my 919 - I'm still looking at a 12k changeover!

+1
I think this is the bit that Honda NZ just don't want to acknowledge or realise; they have effectively priced themselves out of the market for the demographic that used to (or wants) buy their 1L naked due to the large difference in trade-in between that and the 919. Similar to you, I would have had a CB1R in my possession ages ago, if a reasonable trade in (not being royally screwed) was possible.

PS, I thouth the 919 was sub 200kg's wet?

[AllanB]

Funny thing I've noticed in NZ is due to the big hole in the 10k to 20k bike market a clean low km used Hornet is often listed by a dealer at more than I paid for a brand spanking new one in 2007! Unless you are interested in a cruiser there is nothing big bore available new around $15k.


Honda claim 194 kg dry in their sales brochure.

There has been a recent trend to list wet weights which is more relevant and traditionally the makers of all bikes have been blatantly lying about their dry weights. I read somewhere that one maker worked out it's published dry weights a few years back by the estimated weights of all components when individually drawn up on the CAD machine! Obviously they did not own a set of scales.

Bloody pointless as any decent bike magazine has their own certified weighing machine and they publish the real world wet weight.

[SAFETYpin]

My buddy bought the Z recently, I can confirm its a riot to ride. The front end is large but ends so abruptly that you dont see any of it while riding, I found it comfortable. The engine is damn near electric, pulls like a freight train in any gear and is a smooth as silk. Power wheelies in second gear are no problem, just give it a twist and up she comes.

[Woody469]

I REALLY dont wanna have to buy a Kawi, Honda just needs to bite the damn bullet and give us all what we want, the CB1000R fer Christ's sake!! Why the hell are we already at LEAST 3 years behind all the other major markets in the world? They're pissin me off!!!

[MotoCycho]

Originally Posted by Woody469

I REALLY dont wanna have to buy a Kawi, Honda just needs to bite the damn bullet and give us all what we want, the CB1000R fer Christ's sake!! Why the hell are we already at LEAST 3 years behind all the other major markets in the world? They're pissin me off!!!

Well.. I am about 99.99% sure I am getting the Kwaski zed 1k. Perhaps Honda will get the damn message when Kawasaki sales are up in this market and theirs drop a bit? But, they probably don't get a sh!t. Honestly.. I love my ZX-14. It is so smooth and powerful... I often wished I had two so I could leave one stock ride height/wheelbase for street riding. Mine is drag race prepped.. long and low... but I think the z1000 will fill in that void nicely based on what I keep reading. I am going to test SIT one this afternoon at the local stealership. See if my fat ass fits in it.

Man.. 919 is so yesterday! See ya CB900F.. you were fun.. now get to steppin'!

[bigdealdave]

right behind you, In fact if you know anyone who wants an '07 9er w 7300mi, CF satos, Renthal ULs a pc3, new power pilot 2s, and some other goodies for $4995, tell them to check out the classifieds section in this forum.
there's a guy selling one....

[07919Dave]

I wanted the new Zed when I first saw it. Went to the dealer every day till they finally got it in just to look at it, couldn't test ride because it was the only one they had of course but it was still one good looking bike. Then i read the article about the CB1000R and both my mind and heart went elsewhere. I decided I could wait a few years to get one. Well two years later I am still waiting and it is starting to get lonely so in the mean time I went and bought the 919. I figure this can hold me over for another two years. BUT, if the bike isn't in American by then or the upcoming model year then back to Kawi will I go.
Question to our New Zealand friends, what are the used markets like for the CB? Are they still out of one price range?

[Farab]

What does the Z1 go for over there (new)?

[bigdealdave]

the only scary thing about the zed is the documentation or lack thereof. I feel like I could build a 919 out of parts from my shed with the help of WT. The 2010 Z forums are definitely in their infancy.

[bigdealdave]

MSRP 10,500. But I've been offered $9200, if they hadn't been trying to steal my niner I would have taken it.

[07919Dave]

US$1 = NZ$1.42

Z1000 US$10,499 = NZ$14,908.58

How much is a new CB1000R and how much is a typical used 2007 CB1000R going for?

[07919Dave]

2010 Z1000 R RP * $18,995.00 (Pulled straight from Kawasaki.co.nz)
Holy crap they are raping you in the exchange market!!!!!! A Four thousand dollar price increase for shipment to New Zealand!!!!! What is your government doing with their import tax dollars? Because they are raping you with them!!! I would ask for that KY Jelly if I were you.

[07919Dave]

Sorry, I know a lot of post by me but Fellow New Zealand CB1000R lovers I am your new best friend.
http://www.honda-motorcycles.co.nz/a...dcrffunout.pdf I got the NZ$4000 back for you in the forum of a “Spring Special 2010 CB1000R Predator” Go out and buy one because I can’t.

[MotoCycho]

Originally Posted by bigdealdave

MSRP 10,500. But I've been offered $9200, if they hadn't been trying to steal my niner I would have taken it.

Steal huh? Yeah.. they are pretty weak when it's trade-in time. I will probably have both in the garage side by side for a while while I set the 9er back to mostly stock and get her ready for a new home. I do love the ole girl.. but I just can't justify two hooligan bikes... Then again.. maybe I can? Hummmmm?

[Farab]

Originally Posted by 07919Dave

Question to our New Zealand friends, what are the used markets like for the CB? Are they still out of one price range?

As AllanB said, its seems our 919 second hand market is quite inflated price wise. Some dealers are selling late model 919's with low milage at the last RRP at NZ$11K (US$0.70 = NZ$1 approx). I could most probably get NZ$7.5k at most for my 2006 (2008 registered) privately and approx NZ$6.5K trade in (as offered by 2 dealers), with 40K kms on the clock.

I think they have held their value relatively well, due to the fact that the CB1R is realistically out of the question if you want to do a trade in without calling yourself a stupid ass for doing it.

I am at a cross roads now where I don't really know what to do. If I keep the bike much longer (50K km's and above) I don't know what it will be worth, most probably $5K. Realisticcally i should get rid of it while it still has some value, but Honda has made a trade in on a CB1R unpalatable.

Again, as per AllanB, there is nothing new 1L exiting naked wise in our market at the moment. Honda basically led the way approx 2 years ago whith a massive price hike. Back then the 919's lats RRp price was NZ$11K, altough you could haggle some dealers down to 10.5 or even if you wre lucky 10. Then they realesed the new naked and sports modelsa and the new RRP for the CB1R went as high as NZ$21K and the sports went from sub 20K to approx 25K.
Similar to any other industry, "monkey see, monkey do", and the other 3 Jap brands followed suit with their pricing. Although new Suzuki's can be found on specials (sports).

I have been going on about Honda quite a bit on price, but to be fair, Yamaha hasn't drop a penny on their FZ1N's which is already +4 years old and still "selling" at NZ$19K.

I don't know if there's any truth to this, but I have heard on a few occasions, that our motorcycle industry is basically Australian owned/linked and their pricing is basically converted straight over to NZ$. If there is any truth to this, seems that they aren't taking into account that NZ has lower salaries than Oz, a higher cost of living and the fact that we have no import duties on vehicles, does not seem to be reflected in the price. Same as everything, the marketing dept somehwere plucks a price out of thin air and reckons that what we should be paying.