Being a former FZ1 owner (2001) I like them a lot. The FZ8 appeals to me because it has more power than the 919 and gets 40s mpg.
Ah - sorry bud but the FZ8 is every so slightly under the 919 in outright HP @ 105 and just under on the outright torque. In reality nothing to compare, depending on where that power is delivered. FZ8 max torque is higher than the 919 so it may not have as much midrange push.
They weight within 5 kg of each other, wheelbase within 1mm, rake the same @ 25 , FZ trail slightly more. Same size tyres. Almost hold the same amount of oil!!!!
I suspect the FZ8 will be a superb replacement for the 919 if you are wanting a new bike with all the feel as the honda. I'll let you know after I demo one one sunny Saturday (just for kicks you understand).
And it is darn easy to get 40mpg out of a 919 - I've seen 50 on regular 'legal' speed cruises (thats 60mph (ish) in New Zealand).
"I wish some one would put out a true naked that performs well. no bikini fairings or engine coverings. and no goofy euro styling that looks like transformer abortions."
Well said. I think the look of the z1000 and cb1000r are just horrible. The exhaust has to go as does the terrible looking front headlight.
That FZ8 pic is something. Still has the "alien" look to it, but is slightly more acceptable. Maybe because of the color. I still think the 919 is one of the best looking naked bikes i've ever seen.
Maybe i'll go with the speed triple next, not sure though. I know next to nothing about them. Whats the power on a speed triple in comparison to the 919? I'm assuming its more powerful but is probably heavier as well.
If they didn't have a transformer headlight on it the FZ8 would look a lot better to me. That thing might as well be a bikini fairing.
I may have dated taste but I like the littlw twin head lights on the Speed triple and Buells.
I may be in the majority but I require my bikes to get decent gas mileage It's part of what got me into the scene. I like the fact I can cruise by a prius knowing I'm getting better mpg and then by the Sports car knowing IT doesn't have a prayer in hell. Oh and for those yuppies with the top down on a convertible but the windows up. always make sure they know I'm laughing. Even gone as far to put up the visor and point.
Back to the topic. I'd like t take a speed triple for a spin and an 1125r. I've tried a buell xb12 and really liked it and have to admit there is apart of me that wants the sound of a twin. The XB12 has torque in spades. Being it has a very long stroke I would imagine it gets pretty good gas milage.
Yes I know the 1125r isn't a naked I just wanna try one in the near future it's in the running for my first faired bike.
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Ah - sorry bud but the FZ8 is every so slightly under the 919 in outright HP @ 105 and just under on the outright torque.
Thanks for the correction. I knew they were close but had the HP backwards in my mind. I get 42 mpg on my 919 and so have no complaints with mileage. The FZ8 is bound to be similar in mpg and much better than the FZ1.
I think the power to weight ratio is key. Also, how the bike is geared will make a huge difference.
Regarding styling and the dual headlights on the speed triple. Call it dated if you will. However, it seems lots of 919 owners convert their bikes to dual headlights. I prefer a single but to each their own. Personally, I think the single just looks perfect. A good mix of vintage and modern styling.
Honda has some great bikes in their international line up. The new CB1100f was supposed to make it to the US in 2010 but never did. I've never seen one in person, but I think that'd be the ideal replacement to the 919.
Looks simple and clean. Just what I want. Not everyone wants a 1800cc v-twin thats heavier and louder than hell. Nor does everyone want a 1000cc sport bike that can do 186mph.
C'mon Honda. I've always loved hondas, but their line up is quickly sending me to elsewhere.
I should also add. I've owned nothing but honda since I started riding. All of the bikes i've owned have been hondas. Everything from the late 70's up to the most recent a 2007 919.
I think the power to weight ratio is key. Also, how the bike is geared will make a huge difference.
Regarding styling and the dual headlights on the speed triple. Call it dated if you will. However, it seems lots of 919 owners convert their bikes to dual headlights. I prefer a single but to each their own. Personally, I think the single just looks perfect. A good mix of vintage and modern styling.
Honda has some great bikes in their international line up. The new CB1100f was supposed to make it to the US in 2010 but never did. I've never seen one in person, but I think that'd be the ideal replacement to the 919.
Looks simple and clean. Just what I want. Not everyone wants a 1800cc v-twin thats heavier and louder than hell. Nor does everyone want a 1000cc sport bike that can do 186mph.
C'mon Honda. I've always loved hondas, but their line up is quickly sending me to elsewhere.
Ditch the white walls and we might have a winner there. still want a speed triple oor buell xb series but that looks like a good step up from the 919 although it also looks to be potentially alot worse handling.
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I could deal wit that although it looks like mirrors and gauges might have been stolen from the 9er. I would probably by that though Looks to me for an exhaust upgrade only way might be full exhaust. Now if we can only convince them to bring it here.
The thing I like most bout it is that is the same thing I like about the 919 originally. The fact it looks like the bastard child of a fat cruiser and a sport bike. This one even more than the 919.
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The FZ8 is really peaking my intrest but I am still drooling over the Speed Triple I saw the other day. I went to the Honda Powersports Facebook page and told them to bring over the CB1000R. Lets see if the respond to me.......
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I want it because of styling, power, and because it is a naked. Honda has the CB1100F, the CB1000R, the CB1300, and CB1300S all as options overseas so why not bring all three to us and let the American Public decide what we want to buy.
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I'd never buy the CB1000R on looks alone. It is the epitome of how naked got corrupted with angular tack ons.
Shape it like a 919 with a single oversized round headlamp, then I'd change my tune. The exhaust would get binned the moment it got home, though.
Damn them tricky bitches! Think they should have stuck with Hornet or FireSomethin' or BladeSomethin' Whatever.. I kicked the CB1000r to the curb before I could even see one in person. Honda can suck my salty Kwaskis.
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What are they thinking with that exhaust? Looks terrible. Wonder if it'd scrape when banked over far enough.
I agree, the angles on the cb1000r are ugly. The first thing i'd do is ditch the exhaust and headlight.
If brought to the US, my guess is it wont sell in huge numbers here. The die hard honda guys will prob. buy some, but thats it. The styling isnt going to appeal to the masses.
In the 1980s honda got it right. Several diff. series of their UJM. Lets see, the CB, CM, CX all come to mind. Each "series" had diff. characteristics and were all slightly different. I'm sure i'm forgetting some here.
Maybe they should consider the cbf600, cb1100f, cb1300(s),
Personally, I think honda needs some variation in their line up. For the most part its either cruiser, or rocket.
^^ I guess its just personal taste. I think the CB1R is a beautifull bike, I actually like the headlight and exhaust. I have thought about how well it will age though. IMO the 919 is getting long in the tooth looks wise as well, but it should be a good looking classic in another 15 or so years time. As much as I like the styling of the CB1R and the Z1, will they age well? I know we don't buy bikes based on this, but just a thought that crossed my mind.
^^ I guess its just personal taste. I think the CB1R is a beautifull bike, I actually like the headlight and exhaust. I have thought about how well it will age though. IMO the 919 is getting long in the tooth looks wise as well, but it should be a good looking classic in another 15 or so years time. As much as I like the styling of the CB1R and the Z1, will they age well? I know we don't buy bikes based on this, but just a thought that crossed my mind.
Both the CB1r and the Z1k are horny pissed off looking bikes IMO. I love the looks of both and would gladly park either or both in my garage. That said.. Honda can continue to suck my salty kwaskis 'til they get the CB1r to the states. Here comes the 2011 z1k to my garage!
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^ The Italians get styling (CB1R) right 99.9% of the time, that's what they are good at, amongst others. From all accounts the Z1 kicks the CB1R's butt in the performance dept, but I guess that's to be expected, Kawa's as we all know, are known to be more aggressive and Honda more refined/boring/reserved. I guess the Kawa is the 20 year old platinum blonde stripper and the Honda the 35 year old Cougar. Both can be fun (or so I've been told...apparently)!
These conversations always drive me nuts! There are many of us on here who prefer the naked bike. Okay well enough. Then there are those who like to see things updated every now and then to reflect the newer technologies. But there are always those who just have to have the round headlight and no faring or wind screen and seem to hate any type of new exhaust. I'd be willing to bet that most on this forum usually crap on Harleys. Well if you ask me that's exactly what any standard bike looks like with the round headlight, unfared, and with standard pipes down the side. I just don't understand people wanting to hang onto styling from the 70's! Look that's when I started riding and I rode just about every kind of Honda that was made back then and I appreciate them but I wouldn't drive a car that looked like and was built like they were back then and I don't want a bike like that either. That's the past! It also seems like most people buying bikes today are in the same category except for the Harley guys. They just keep hanging on to the same old sorry styling that has almost always existed. What's up with that? Has anyone ever thought that maybe that's why the 919 doesn't exist any more?
... Has anyone ever thought that maybe that's why the 919 doesn't exist any more?
Hey now.. pretty sure mine still exists?
Last I check anyway.
I get your point tho. Styles change and sometimes the new stuff has to grow on ya. I still think the 919 is pleasing to look at.. in lots of stock and altered looks. That said, that new z1000 is damn sweet. I think I want to change the front fender/fork covers. I want to see the forks... oh, and of course, the mud shovel gets a drop/trim.
Check out the sweet Akrapovic Racing system on the 2010 z1k. That should satisfy the haters of the OEM cans.
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I get what you are saying, you make some valid points. (I am really enjoying this thread!) I guess there's a difference between bikes and cars. Bikes display alot of their mechanical works. Cars, are mostly external panels, so basically all that is on display will be cosmetic and therefore exposed to the fasion/style of the day.
Seems that some designs are just classic for a reason; it works.
The bikes of the 80's are the worst IMO (just personal taste). Look at the nakeds with the square headlights and massive indicators on thin stalks, as an example, just damn horrible, all for the sake of wanting to design something that was different and for the sake of getting away from the round headlights from the 70's ( I suppose the 80's was the era of trying to be modern and different). The sport bikes with their rediculous round bubble like front fairings and fat backsides, weren't much better.
There's reason why the Bonnies and the Triumph Scramblers are retro, or have made a comeback; they have beautifull lines (even though I wouldn't own one), similar with the Ducati Monsters. Nice proportional and flowing lines with a round or roundish headlight. It works.
It seems the less plastic or aesthetic components are used, the more timeproof the bike will be, as you are utilising the mechanical parts to style the bike and that doesn't really change that much. Look at the 9'ner compared to the CB1R. The 919 utilises mostly its mechanical parts for styling (exposed engine and pipes ,etc.) where the Cb1R uses plastic or cosmetic metal to shape the bike, such as the headlight, radiator shrouds, tank and side panels. This exposes it to the fashion of the day and therefore locks it into a particular era, IMO.
I guess they go wrong when they set out to design something to be different for the sake of being different and radical, rather than designing something with a tried and tested formula that will produce beautifull lines, such as a MV Brutale.
Don't get me wrong, I like the styling of the Z1 and CB1R, I am just wondering if its going to stand the test of time, such as the 9'ner for example, that still kinda looks good 8 years on and will most likely become an attractive classic in a few years time.( I know we don't buy bikes based soley on this, it's just something that crossed my mind looking at these 2 new bikes). Look a photo's of 9'ners leaning into or coming out of a corner, simply classic and beautifull, IMO.
MotoCycho: the Acro pipe looks good, as does Yoshi's.
Interesting thread given the international flavor.
I sometimes wonder who is heading up Honda motorcycle marketing for the US. I also wonder if they ever leave their office and talk with people. Honda has a class leader in the Goldwing. They have some nice, but IMO not class leading sportbikes in the RR series. Not sure about their cruiser offering since I don't follow that market. Besides the new VFR everything else seems flat. There appears to be a lot of research into things I don't feel I need. Automatic transmissions, dual clutch and airbags aren't high on my list.
Given the price of used bikes I might have to strip a 1000RR and make something I want.
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That pointy thing has only got a 4.0 gallon tank. And mpg of what, 32?
That pointy thing makes between 130 and 144 HP depending on the exhaust & tune and close to 85 lb-ft torque. It's stopping the comp in it's class. They could shape the headlight like a pile of poop and make the tail look like a donkeys a$$ and I might still be considering one.
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That tank is small though, 15L compared to the 919's 19L tank. At present, with the 919, I only have to fill up once a week whilst commuting, which is a nice luxury. As you said, the Z1 makes loads more power, so should be thirstier, on a smaller tank...Not something that would deter me from buying the bike, but it could get irritating for some, filling up very second day during the weekly commute.
Wondering, who here likes the look/styling of the cb1000r?
Just curious. Some may think its great, others may not. Power aside, what does everyone think of the looks?
Just a general question
it makes my pants pointy
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Well I collected my new Preddy last Friday and have put 1600km on the clock now, all I can say is ... it's a great bike to ride! Took a wee while to settle on the bike to find that "sweet" spot.
The thing is, it also makes me appreciate my 919 as well (I still own my 250 and 919 Hornets). The Predator is my toy to play with, whilst my 919 will still be the workhorse (its on 82 000km at the moment, my 250 has done 101250km).
Will be interesting switching back and forth between them to appreciate the finer points of both bikes! (and then, when I need more of a change, I can just fang off on my RZ250 and RZ350!)
Interesting comments and observations here! Keep 'em coming!
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Well I collected my new Preddy last Friday and have put 1600km on the clock now, all I can say is ... it's a great bike to ride! Took a wee while to settle on the bike to find that "sweet" spot.
The thing is, it also makes me appreciate my 919 as well (I still own my 250 and 919 Hornets). The Predator is my toy to play with, whilst my 919 will still be the workhorse (its on 82 000km at the moment, my 250 has done 101250km).
Will be interesting switching back and forth between them to appreciate the finer points of both bikes! (and then, when I need more of a change, I can just fang off on my RZ250 and RZ350!)
Interesting comments and observations here! Keep 'em coming!
Pics of the RZs please!
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I was not really into the look of the CB1000R until I saw one in motion in this review. It all makes sense now and I really like the look of it now. My dealer says we are getting them up here in Canada this winter. He offered to give me what I paid for my 919 to trade up. Pretty tempting...
I was not really into the look of the CB1000R until I saw one in motion in this review. It all makes sense now and I really like the look of it now. My dealer says we are getting them up here in Canada this winter. He offered to give me what I paid for my 919 to trade up. Pretty tempting...
Buy two, and I'll meet you somewhere near the border! Red, please!
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