My wife's last car, an Audi A4 made 180 hp and weighed 10 times as much.
I thought it was entertaining. I can't imagine how much fun that could be.
On the other hand...geez, how much is enough?
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I've ridden an 08 busa and that thing is scary fast, will nearly tear your arms off. The BMW has more HP and is lighter. I'd lose my license for sure!
Or kill myself on it.
I wonder why Honda dropped their "they-must-be-smokin-their-socks" pricing from NZ$29.5K for a Repsol and NZ$28.5K for the Blade (ABS)down to NZ$24K "on special" for the Repsol and NZ$26.5 for the Blade (ABS).
At virtually the same price, I'd definately go for the BMW with its HP figures blowing Honda out of the water & with its technology it has to offer.
I want the rumble of a twin but I can't ignore this beast.
This is typical BMW tho, understating their power claims. They've done it for years with their cars, and still do. I'm pleasantly suprised they do this with the bikes too
Ohlins, brembo, big power all for $13k. Its probably the best bargain out there on any dealer showroom. I hope the 1st year teething issues are small or non existent. Its def had lots of ontrack development time. As the wsb machine and it we're developed hand in hand. While most tweaks from this past season won't be seen on the 1st batch, 2nd year models should have the frame tweaks, etc they made to the wsb in order to be homologation compliant.
Once these hit the showrooms I thin they're gonna sell like hot beverage on a cold day.
For me, black or the replica colors are the only way to go. The other colors hurt it I think. But I'd love to see it in like a deep blue, similar to their cars orient blue, or maybe imola red.
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...I'm slowly prepping the FZ...Goin to VIR with NESBA most likely next year since they are reasonably priced
Funny, what I've learned about mechanical stuff made in Germany is that it's overengineered, performs beyond expectations, and if you treat it with respect and provide the necessary maintenance it lasts forever.
Looks like someone punched it in the eye, rightful so -
Going to be interesting to see how well it holds up.
Any word on maintenance costs - flat rate times and parts costs?
Well one thing with the headlight setup, you'll probably get less of the, "Hey you got a headlight out" comment.
And as for how well it holds up, it ain't Italian. And like Beau says, those guys in Germany got mechanical engineering down to a T. That and beer. Franziskaner anyone?
I think it is hilarious that BMW basically copied the Japanese sport bike.
It's the German Star to the Japanese Harley, in a weird sort of a way.
no jap bike is making 180hp to the wheel or has all the electric gizmos and gadgets that the bmw has. That combined with proven reliability that is at least equal to any Japanese bike and its hard to pass it off as a copy.
Well one thing with the headlight setup, you'll probably get less of the, "Hey you got a headlight out" comment.
And as for how well it holds up, it ain't Italian. And like Beau says, those guys in Germany got mechanical engineering down to a T. That and beer. Franziskaner anyone?
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Get it right n00b. BMW didn't copy them, they analysed them and took the best bits from all of them, and combined with their engine and suspension know how to put together a bike that whoops ass out the box.
That's frikin smart if you ask me. You beat your competition by studying their strengths and weaknesses and learning from them, and then you one up them.
It still has many original things about it. And one thing you will never do, is mistake it for any of the others. Not with those distinct looks.
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...I'm slowly prepping the FZ...Goin to VIR with NESBA most likely next year since they are reasonably priced
no jap bike is making 180hp to the wheel or has all the electric gizmos and gadgets that the bmw has. That combined with proven reliability that is at least equal to any Japanese bike and its hard to pass it off as a copy.
They probably will be next year, given they are not willing to have the Germans out do them. As far as reliability goes, BMW's tend to have a fair number of problems with their new models. However, this tends not to get much press, given that they take good care of fixing the problems for their customers. Also, I seriously doubt any of these will sell for less than the high 16's to low 17's, because the price above doesn't include many of the options and BMW USA dealers tend to order ALL of their bikes with some to many options. If I was in the market for a new literbike, I would definitely give this bike a ride!!!
The director of BMW mottorad said one of their main targets in making this bike was to not put it out of reach like the Italian bikes, or have their reliability issues. This was one of their main objectives. This bike has been in the works for YEARS. They even contemplated going GP, and decided to start with WSBK, they considered their boxer, as well as twins and triple engine configurations. All the other brands were studied. All the members of its design team ride, and went around to supersport events to better learn that kind of biking for those that didn't know.
They're very serious about this bike, their goal is to be contending for WSB championships within 5 yrs.
It may have a lot of options but believe me, the bare bones base models will be available, and I'm pretty sure the entire 1st batch has been spoken for. They're well aware of the price and I think they will try to keep it well within reach in order to steal Italian and Japanese riders/customers.
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...I'm slowly prepping the FZ...Goin to VIR with NESBA most likely next year since they are reasonably priced
The director of BMW mottorad said one of their main targets in making this bike was to not put it out of reach like the Italian bikes, or have their reliability issues. This was one of their main objectives. This bike has been in the works for YEARS. They even contemplated going GP, and decided to start with WSBK, they considered their boxer, as well as twins and triple engine configurations. All the other brands were studied. All the members of its design team ride, and went around to supersport events to better learn that kind of biking for those that didn't know.
They're very serious about this bike, their goal is to be contending for WSB championships within 5 yrs.
It may have a lot of options but believe me, the bare bones base models will be available, and I'm pretty sure the entire 1st batch has been spoken for. They're well aware of the price and I think they will try to keep it well within reach in order to steal Italian and Japanese riders/customers.
One of the fastest instructors I have worked with has had his deposit on one from day one. And, he told me that they have more deposits than bikes for year one (in our area). I'm willing to bet (real money) that once they arrive they will be more than the Japanese bikes and less than the Italian bikes for price, and the reverse for reliability. Also, day-to-day customers find ways to break stuff that testers don't........
I have wanted one of these ever since I first learned of them. It would be a waste however, in my throttle hand, for I would ride that bike at like 5% of its capacity.
I didn't realize how imposing those numbers really are. So, basically its a street legal, all out race bike. Maybe they will make a semi-neutered naked version for me.
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Great find, MrMike. This requires a bit of imagination for the younger guys, but us older mutts know darn well of figures that were once regarded as astronomical in terms of RWHP. These were the Golden Years, the 60's and 70's, the advent of the Japanese invasion starting with the K1 Honda 750. 63RWHP, road burners they were considered. 80RWHP for the Z1 Kawi 900! The totally twisted 750 Tripple Kawi 750 2 stroke and its crazy rear tire burning powerband.
Well, now look at that line up in Mikes post. I mean when DynoJet themselves did my 2000 CBR929rr with tthe Leo Vince muff and s-pipe put out 132 I dropped a turd in my bloomers! This is the pinacle of times for unlimited sportbikes, and it's the liter bikes that are posting these "unlimited" power outputs! These are awesome times. Who would have ever thunk that the Germans would lead the pack(there is that 190 something mph MV Agusta to deal with, though)
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no jap bike is making 180hp to the wheel or has all the electric gizmos and gadgets that the bmw has. That combined with proven reliability that is at least equal to any Japanese bike and its hard to pass it off as a copy.
No "Japanese" bikes are making 180hp this week, that is a fact.
One thing you can take to the bank, the Japanese will "one up" them, that is how this game is played.
Seems the Japanese stopped the horsepower war they won, this will make it more interesting, for sure.
Nothing wrong with more power!
And we can not really talk about proven reliability on this specific motorcycle or engine, it is all brand new, that will take time.
Then again, that machine is an entry into the "latest and greatest" club, not many machines develop much long term loyalty in that nitch.
Not that there is anything wrong with worshiping horsepower and handling above all, if that is your thing, go for it.
Others do develop brand loyalty, appreciate comfort over maximum cornering clearance, different values, you know, it does not really matter in the big picture -
"That you ride, is more important that what you ride"
Get it right n00b. BMW didn't copy them, they analysed them and took the best bits from all of them, and combined with their engine and suspension know how to put together a bike that whoops ass out the box.
That's frikin smart if you ask me. You beat your competition by studying their strengths and weaknesses and learning from them, and then you one up them.
It still has many original things about it. And one thing you will never do, is mistake it for any of the others. Not with those distinct looks.
Reminds me of listening to STAR and VTX riders talking about their VTwin cruisers and Harley-Davidsons.
Almost to a tee.
Except Harley's still sell more, we'll see if BMW can do better.
Time will tell, I'd not be ruling out the Japanese at this point.
We have one for a development bike and this is one of the best stock bikes I have ridden at least for street use.
Those Germans built a bike that looks like a GSXR got lost in the Aprilia factory and handles like a 1000RR that has been given about 25% more agility.
Monster power output, I mean friggin massive amount of mostly linear power output, but in my opinion it is slow to rev. The bike had 159 miles on it when I first got to throw a leg over it and I was not impressed with the brakes at all, but I *cough ahem* guess I bedded them in pretty good because by the end of the ride they were really working well in fact that brings me to the only real fault I can mention about this bike. When using the brakes aggressively it really ties itself in knots... It seemed to get better when I shut down the ABS and Traction Control (DTC) and along with that the hooligan factor went up (literally) about 75%. You see the DTC system also has built in WHEELIE CONTROL. This can be adjusted in 4 different modes RAIN, SPORT, RACE & special SLICK mode that has to be manually unlocked before it can be selected. The RAIN mode cuts the power & adjusts the ABS/DTC accordingly, the SPORT mode uses full power and also adjusts the ABS/DTC inputs accordingly & RACE mode again full power, but a more aggressive ABS/DTC algorithm that incorporates a high lean angle baseline. In SPORT mode wheelies just aren't gonna happen and while I didn't try it in RACE mode I believe it allows for a 5 second wheelie before it cuts in and settles the front back down (although that might be SLICK mode) as again I didn't try to test it in any mode other than SPORT at least not until I shut the DTC off and then it wheelied like a big dog as soon as the tach hit about 9000.
Purely as a streetbike it is truly amazing... I didn't even adjust a single setting on the suspension which made for a rougher ride than I would like, but hey this is a sportbike afterall not a Goldwing. The DOT Metzeler Racetec tires were slightly overinflated for spirited riding too, but the bike was amazingly stable and so nimble to flick around. High speed 100+ sweepers to 30 mph hair pins. Uphill & down the mountain it really inspired confidence. Now don't misconstrue I rode it a little aggressively to get acquainted with it, but since I was on the street there is still 1/2" pussy stripes on both sides of the rear tire, but then again if you have seen me ride the track over the last few years you know how ridiculously far I lean off the bike to keep it from having to lean for me (learned that style from Nate Kern ) which brings me to another point. With the wide tank and nice ergonomics (for a sportbike) it feels like a 1000RR which should make a lot of you guys smile!
I think for the track it might need a little bit of trail added to it and I can't even fathom how good some Ohlins kit will improve this already very nice handling machine, but I sure hope Dan lets me get it out on the track at some point because I have feeling that is where it will shine the most.
Bone Stock Dyno run from yesterday afternoon (186rwhp)
What is weird to me is that the dyno graph for my ZX10 is almost identical until about 11,000 rpm, then of course at about 11,500 drops down. How did they get this engine to have the strong lower end and keep going(building power) until 13k+?????
BMW S1000RR
Im on another 
(prolly not even worth that ... lol)
Franziskaner anyone?
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