Highside and Lowside on Mulholland

[07919Dave]

They lost it on the same corner and almost in the same spot. Infact if you can see the tier marks from the highside in the lowside video.

YouTube - Highside Motorcycle Crash on Mulholland

YouTube - GSXR Lowside Crash on Mulholland - 6/6/10

[Lemonhead]

I don't know enough about sportriding to talk intelligently but the first guy looks as if he fixated on the cameraman, then gassed it too soon, on a slightly slick corner.

The second looks as if the front washed out.

I know it calculates out to rider error, but damn. I think there's something wrong in the pavement there.

[Lemonhead]

both cases look like eye-line was wrong for starters. lot to be learned from there.

[g00gl3it]

Originally Posted by Lemonhead

I don't know enough about sportriding to talk intelligently but the first guy looks as if he fixated on the cameraman, then gassed it too soon, on a slightly slick corner.

The second looks as if the front washed out.

I know it calculates out to rider error, but damn. I think there's something wrong in the pavement there.

That is a common spot I believe. I think the first guy (highside) broke his wrist.

[Ottawa919]

There are a lot of bike crash videos for those few bends. Dudes camp out there to film folks knowing that some will fall.

Here's a scooter guy in Crocs:

[07919Dave]

Do your two up rides go something like this?


YouTube - Nice Two Up

[Lemonhead]

that's pretty impressive. watched a guy on a buell just fall the fuck down. and another doing an easy cruise still manage to ride off into the mountain.

[07919Dave]

Originally Posted by Lemonhead

that's pretty impressive. watched a guy on a buell just fall the fuck down. and another doing an easy cruise still manage to ride off into the mountain.

Guy on the Buell just turned the handel bar. Never even tried to lean! Dude on the scooter was bad ass untill he crashed.

[Lemonhead]

isn't that always how it goes.

[07919Dave]

YouTube - DRZ400 Motorcycle Crash on Mulholland

DRZ400 crashes but can you guess what his buddy is riding???

[joshpit2003]

Originally Posted by Lemonhead

I know it calculates out to rider error, but damn. I think there's something wrong in the pavement there.

maybe that rnickey dude is pissing on the pavement to boost his youtube views? haha.

I wonder if he asks any of these guys if it's ok that he posts them on the youtube channel. I don't think he legally has to, but it sure would be nice to know that you get to decide whether or not to make your crash public.

[nd4spdbh]

Originally Posted by 07919Dave

YouTube - DRZ400 Motorcycle Crash on Mulholland

DRZ400 crashes but can you guess what his buddy is riding???

hehe, ya that was my buddy! that corner breeds crashes dunno why it just does... its not like its a slick corner or anything i mean, heres me in that same corner. haha

YouTube - Wheelie outta the snake!

and heres some more of me... (i come in at 4:03)

YouTube - Riders Saturday 1/ 29/2011

I really think it spawns crashes cus so many people hear about this awesome road and get to riding over their heads for the cameras.

BTW. the guy doing the videoing is i wanna say an ex stunt bike guy for hollywood! talked to him a coupla times, cool guy.

ALSO ... ALOT of the crashes i see are caused by guys going knee down in what almost looks like putting to much pressure on their knee and screwing with the weighting on the bike.

[brokerecord]

When that dude on the scooter stuck his foot out, he had already decided he lost it. Foot off pegs means lost confidence. I know, cause, many years ago, I was scuffing in new tires on a 650 Allazurra (Duc) I came into a negative curve fast and lost faith in the new tires, I put my foot out for some reason, and it nearly beat the back of my helmet when it touched pavement. I was very lucky that day and learned to go to the rodeo parking lot to scuff tires before speeding on roads.

[07919Dave]

Originally Posted by nd4spdbh

hehe, ya that was my buddy! that corner breeds crashes dunno why it just does... its not like its a slick corner or anything i mean, heres me in that same corner.

Awesome! I was paying attention to the 400 when I noticed the stock pipes on the 9er. I went back on sure enough a silver 9er in the frame. I'm glad your buddy wasn't hurt. What did he chalk the crash up to?

[nd4spdbh]

Originally Posted by 07919Dave

Awesome! I was paying attention to the 400 when I noticed the stock pipes on the 9er. I went back on sure enough a silver 9er in the frame. I'm glad your buddy wasn't hurt. What did he chalk the crash up to?

shitty body positioning if i remember correctly... also the fact the tires were brand new and had probably not been scrubbed that far into the lean. hes the one rider in the group that would be voted most likely to crash on any given ride... he goons around alot, luckily hes got that drz which is bullet proof pretty much, and doesnt have nuff power to kill him. If i remember right he had eaten it early that day on tuna canyon going to hard into a turn haha.


the 919 has taught me to be responsible with the right hand and any twisting motion... i have ridden his drz a coupla times, and literally you ride it like a light switch... throttle on, throttle off... no in between, for some reason it just brings the goon out of any one haha.

[curiousmike]

I like at 4:20 how you get a little air coming out of it..

[07919Dave]

Cool. I get that wiggle too I go into a turn and start to Lean then I feel the unscrubbed rear edges start to go and I have to reduce lean. About an inch still on the edges I need to get off before big riding season starts. Right now it is still commute to work time. Maybe hit my round-a-bout a little bit more.

Those DRZs do look like you either have to be a "goon" on it or just leave it at home. I think in another video you see one being chased by the HP.

[nd4spdbh]

Originally Posted by curiousmike

I like at 4:20 how you get a little air coming out of it..

i got it pretty good now a wheelie out of up and downhill... ppl just go wtf kinda bike is that!!!

[Bigdaa]

nd, that second video of yours is just tons of fun to watch!!!!!! Bravo!!!

[Lemonhead]

really nice to watch cornering done right. plus, if you're in these vids, you can see and correct your mistakes. waaaaay handy.

[g00gl3it]

Originally Posted by nd4spdbh

i got it pretty good now a wheelie out of up and downhill... ppl just go wtf kinda bike is that!!!

Dude, I heard you scrape pegs like 4 times in that vid.

I've only done that ONCE, and it scared the crap out of me.

[nd4spdbh]

Originally Posted by g00gl3it

Dude, I heard you scrape pegs like 4 times in that vid.

I've only done that ONCE, and it scared the crap out of me.

haha ya.. ill touch em down every now n then, but have learned since then to get my body off the bike more to keep it more upright.


heres a new vid from rnicky

YouTube - 2009 Yamaha R1 Crash 5/7/11

a prime example what happens when your takin a turn quick, and not gettin ur body off the bike... dude had no extra lean angle to spare for the rear slipping, peg hit the ground hard, upweighted the bike further causing issues.

i was actually up there that day, didnt get to see the crash but saw the after math.

[joshpit2003]

so why do those supermoto guys stick their foot out like that?
Seems like a good way to break an ankle... ?

[Farab]

Originally Posted by joshpit2003

so why do those supermoto guys stick their foot out like that?
Seems like a good way to break an ankle... ?

Or do some serious damage to your knee, like a friend of mine did, although he was on dirt, but did the same thing.

[Farab]

That very first vid of the highside, what would have been the correct course of action (if any) to save it? I see he countersteered heavily when his rear started slipping, but then the rear bit and whammo!

That scooter guy is just painfull to watch. You can't help but feel sorry for him, although you also want to laugh at the same time, seeing him approach that corner all hunkered down, then out goes the Croc, then the Croc goes flying over the guard rail. Bloody stupid, riding in shorts and freakn' Croc's. I bet he's seriously reviewing his riding "gear".

[Pvster]

Originally Posted by g00gl3it

Dude, I heard you scrape pegs like 4 times in that vid.

I've only done that ONCE, and it scared the crap out of me.

seriously... what gear are you in and what rpm are you at when you exit the corner and pop the wheelie? clutched the wheelie or just full on power wheelie? body position?

[joshpit2003]

Originally Posted by Farab

Or do some serious damage to your knee, like a friend of mine did, although he was on dirt, but did the same thing.

yeah. I had my foot grab on something just "walking" my bike in traffic and realized then how important it is that the foot-pegs pivot. Those guys were putting their foot where the engine would eat it up... engines don't pivot last time I checked.

[nd4spdbh]

Originally Posted by Pvster

seriously... what gear are you in and what rpm are you at when you exit the corner and pop the wheelie? clutched the wheelie or just full on power wheelie? body position?

1st gear... stock gearing... no clutch up (that would be playing with fire leaned over in a turn like that)... body position is usually hangin off the bike due to being in the turn but ill lean back a lil to make the wheelie come up easier.

id say as i pass the camera im @ ~ 6-8k rpms.

Originally Posted by joshpit2003

so why do those supermoto guys stick their foot out like that?
Seems like a good way to break an ankle... ?

stems from dirt riding... but my other buddy who rides a KTM 690 smc found out that knee down is much more effective on the street than foot out.

[Lemonhead]

I think r-1 guy coulda saved that. a smidge of throttle, and a "pence" turn and he woulda been on the straight. or at least that's what I see.

[rmb]

Originally Posted by Lemonhead

I think r-1 guy coulda saved that. a smidge of throttle, and a "pence" turn and he woulda been on the straight. or at least that's what I see.

I kinda thought the same thing from watching the vid but you never know what it felt like, could have been all wrong and unavoidable.

[g00gl3it]

Originally Posted by joshpit2003

yeah. I had my foot grab on something just "walking" my bike in traffic and realized then how important it is that the foot-pegs pivot. Those guys were putting their foot where the engine would eat it up... engines don't pivot last time I checked.

yup. Ever hit a rock on a dirtbike with your toe? Another good reason that the pegs pivot (so the rock doesn't throw the bike sideways) and good boots (broken toes).

[nd4spdbh]

Originally Posted by g00gl3it

yup. Ever hit a rock on a dirtbike with your toe? Another good reason that the pegs pivot (so the rock doesn't throw the bike sideways) and good boots (broken toes).

yes.... had the happen ONCE! was mobbin the lil xr70 we have and cus its so low, and i was too big for it toes were hanging down... caugh my foot and thank GOD the peg pivoted back and allowed my foot to come up and out (wearing full dirtbike gear)

needless to say i ride on my toes now on the lil bikes.

[EatDirtFartDust]

Originally Posted by Ottawa919

There are a lot of bike crash videos for those few bends. Dudes camp out there to film folks knowing that some will fall.

Here's a scooter guy in Crocs:

[TheBeeDeeGee]

Nd4, holy crap at 4:41 in the 1/21 vid you look like you are hauling some ass into that corner!