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post #1 of 18 Old 04-14-2017, 02:18 AM Thread Starter
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Just screwed up my new helmet shield

I bought a Scorpio EXO helmet and polished the shield. I've done this on others before and have had no problem. All the sudden I'm realizing that I'm removing a coating that's on the shield.

I can't polish it out, so I'll have to live with it, replace it or try to remove that layer by polishing it all off.

I'm not sure what the layer is, might be UV.

Just a heads up on polishing your helmet, didn't have a problem with my other helmet.

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post #2 of 18 Old 04-14-2017, 04:38 AM
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I did something similar on a shield but I think it was more of the wrong cleaner on the inside of the shield. It pretty much melted the coating. I was thinking that it was some sort of anti-fog, but not sure.

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I Know that Arai recommends nothing but water and a soft cloth(microfiber) on their shields. Certainly no abrasives or even Honda spray polish.



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One must be wary these days.
I think inner coatings are more the issue.
Trusting an outer shield has no trik coating, I have found the best cleaner is no cleaner.
I coat with RainX, and with that on, all I have ever needed is some warm water and even dead bugs easily come off with nothing more than (clean!) hand work. Then let dry, then buff with a microfibre and voila, it looks like a new shield.

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Live and learn, it was on the outside and I thought I cleaned it before the same way, but maybe I was more aggressive.

Oh well, learn something new, it sucks that all these shields have to be different.

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One must be wary these days.
I think inner coatings are more the issue.
Trusting an outer shield has no trik coating, I have found the best cleaner is no cleaner.
I coat with RainX, and with that on, all I have ever needed is some warm water and even dead bugs easily come off with nothing more than (clean!) hand work. Then let dry, then buff with a microfibre and voila, it looks like a new shield.
I thought RainX was not recommended for use on plastic? No? That's why I've always avoided using it on my shields. I usually just soak a paper towel with Windex than plaster it onto my shield for several minutes to soak and soften the bugs and make them easier to remove. Then clean with a soft cloth and maybe a little more Windex. I NEVER wipe my shields with a paper towel - too abrasive.

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For those really impacted bugs, I like to use either gasoline, aircraft grade paint thinner, or if they're really stuck on there i bust out the good 'ole belt sander. Then I buy a new lens and it's as good as new!

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I use this stuff in the windscreen, helmet shield, tank, headlight, mirrors, etc....right after a ride. Leave it on for a minute or so and wipe it off with a microfiber cloth. Really works great on bugs.




Gonna have to try the belt sander though. Can you use the same grit as used on the tires?

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I thought RainX was not recommended for use on plastic? No? That's why I've always avoided using it on my shields. I usually just soak a paper towel with Windex than plaster it onto my shield for several minutes to soak and soften the bugs and make them easier to remove. Then clean with a soft cloth and maybe a little more Windex. I NEVER wipe my shields with a paper towel - too abrasive.
I thought glass cleaners like Windex was bad for plastic. Maybe they have a special one for plastic, but I've always heard the stuff for glass wasn't supposed to be used for glass.

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The belt sander sound like the best option. No harmful VOC's from the solvents to destroy the planet. Good idea.

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I thought RainX was not recommended for use on plastic? No?
The RainX bottle says don't use on plastic unless the manufacturer first approves it.
I decided to experiment on a small area out of the line of sight.
There was absolutely no ill effect.
Since then, I've been using it for years on Shoei, Bell and HJC face shields, and never have had a problem with any of them
Not only that, because of the easy hand only cleaning, and aside from rebuffing with a clean microfibre cloth after every washing never touching the shield, my shields seem to last forever.
If fact, I have never bought a replacement shield for any of our helmets since 2005.
We have Clears and Smokes for each.
True, I'm not a mega miler, but being fiendish about faceshield protocols makes them last longer while you see better through them, be it wet, dry, night or day.

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The RainX bottle says don't use on plastic unless the manufacturer first approves it.
I decided to experiment on a small area out of the line of sight.
There was absolutely no ill effect.
Since then, I've been using it for years on Shoei, Bell and HJC face shields, and never have had a problem with any of them
Not only that, because of the easy hand only cleaning, and aside from rebuffing with a clean microfibre cloth after every washing never touching the shield, my shields seem to last forever.
If fact, I have never bought a replacement shield for any of our helmets since 2005.
We have Clears and Smokes for each.
True, I'm not a mega miler, but being fiendish about faceshield protocols makes them last longer while you see better through them, be it wet, dry, night or day.
I just wanted to point out that what I did worked for years on my HJC and failed on my EXO. It would be nice if these things were labeled. It's clear the EXO is coated on the outside.

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I just wanted to point out that what I did worked for years on my HJC and failed on my EXO. It would be nice if these things were labeled. It's clear the EXO is coated on the outside.
Maybe the EVO's coating is a hydrophobic one so the RainX would mostly be redundant.
But I can't see where you said what you polished with.
You've alluded to Windex, which is water reduced alcohol with some ammonia added in.
Ammonia is serious stuff.
The RainX carrier is HydroCarbon based, and alcohol is also a HC.
Why not try some RainX on a small patch on the non viewing area and see what happens?
Especially considering the faceshield is already blemished?

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Maybe the EVO's coating is a hydrophobic one so the RainX would mostly be redundant.
But I can't see where you said what you polished with.
You've alluded to Windex, which is water reduced alcohol with some ammonia added in.
Ammonia is serious stuff.
The RainX carrier is HydroCarbon based, and alcohol is also a HC.
Why not try some RainX on a small patch on the non viewing area and see what happens?
Especially considering the faceshield is already blemished?
I use mothers wax/cleaner. It's not very aggressive and leaves a coat of wax when your done. It's the same you would use on your car. I've been using it on my HJC for years to polish everything up. I've used it on plastics before with no problems.

I have some specific plastic polish, so maybe I'll try that since it's already ruined.

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I use mothers wax/cleaner. It's not very aggressive and leaves a coat of wax when your done. It's the same you would use on your car. I've been using it on my HJC for years to polish everything up. I've used it on plastics before with no problems.

I have some specific plastic polish, so maybe I'll try that since it's already ruined.
Surely the Brazilian Carnuba Wax is the problem! LoL

Past that, is it Plast-X that you have on the your shelf?
We use that stuff on our headlight covers and the stuff is nothing short of amazing.

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Surely the Brazilian Carnuba Wax is the problem! LoL

Past that, is it Plast-X that you have on the your shelf?
We use that stuff on our headlight covers and the stuff is nothing short of amazing.
Actually it's Blue Magic and it says it's good for helmet visors, so maybe I should have used it from the start.

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Actually it's Blue Magic and it says it's good for helmet visors, so maybe I should have used it from the start.

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I didn't know about that particular Blue Magic product.
Thanks for posting it.
But it is a compound type cleaner, and in my book no compound should ever be used for cleaning face shields.
Maybe as a desperate save, but not for habitual use.
Next we'll have someone trying Comet or BonAmi and instantly trashing a $ 40 face shield.
The beauty of RainX is that stuff simply doesn't fuse it self to the shield so cleaning is much easier and potentially less damaging on an ongoing basis.

Hey, we should try to find some WW2 turret gunner who did bright sun and night missions and ask him what worked on the Perspex!

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I didn't know about that particular Blue Magic product.
Thanks for posting it.
But it is a compound type cleaner, and in my book no compound should ever be used for cleaning face shields.
Maybe as a desperate save, but not for habitual use.
Next we'll have someone trying Comet or BonAmi and instantly trashing a $ 40 face shield.
The beauty of RainX is that stuff simply doesn't fuse it self to the shield so cleaning is much easier and potentially less damaging on an ongoing basis.

Hey, we should try to find some WW2 turret gunner who did bright sun and night missions and ask him what worked on the Perspex!
I guess it's not going to matter much, the way I look at it is that I'm not going to replace the shield over this. In fact, my last shield as about 3 deep scratches in it, not in extreme critical areas, so I just continue to use it.

I normally ride full face, visor up, sunglasses that are "eye huggers" (they fit tight to the face for less air flow).

The time when I need the shield is when it gets dark and there's a lot of bugs. I can probably find glasses like the sun glasses with clear lens. I usually like open shield because of the weather.

Edit: I also see it like having a dent in my tank. I got a dent on the left side... I did nothing about it... then I got a dent on the right side... If I had replaced the tank after the left dent, I would have had to buy two tanks to have a clean tank. I'm not going to replace the lens at $40 a pop every time it gets a problem, esp when I don't use it much.

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