Sure, but how about some help on how best to do it ?
I can scan and convert to pdf the results as well as printouts of the LDH's Moriwaki v-4 map and what my guy ended up with.
Is there someway of posting that so people can easily get it, instead of me having to get an e mail address and send it to them that way ? (like I did re my 919 tank grip pad templates)
Well 604 it is then since the 515 costs more. As for "bargain" its not a bargain like say, oh, its a no name brand like Bolex, but bargain like, its good top quality stuff at bargain prices, be it becaused they're used, or someone just doesn't want them anymore or whatever.
WP, Penske, Showa and Matris are all top quality recognized suspension brands.
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...I'm slowly prepping the FZ...Goin to VIR with NESBA most likely next year since they are reasonably priced
id love to Mike, but im getting these BBS wimz 1st man, ive wanted them since 1995 when they 1st came out, i cant pass em up. sorry man, just not the right time.
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...I'm slowly prepping the FZ...Goin to VIR with NESBA most likely next year since they are reasonably priced
I've spoken to numerous suspension guru's and hear the same thing every time. Penske has better internals than Ohlins.
I have heard the same thing from someone I have a great deal of respect for. However, I think that it is a mute point for the vast majority of us mortals. That is, in my opinion, you would need to have the skill level of at least a local champion racer before the difference between the two (whichever one really is better) would actually make a difference in your riding, let alone your lap times. A good suspension that is well set-up makes for confidence, which makes for signficant increases in cornering. A great suspension will do the same, and lighten the wallet more than is likely necessary.
I've spoken to numerous suspension guru's and hear the same thing every time. Penske has better internals than Ohlins.
Well that's interesting... Show me one rider that has won a MotoGP race on a Penske shock or show me one rider that has won a World Superbike Race on a Penske or even just show me a rider that has won an AMA Superbike Race race on a Penske and maybe just maybe I will take those words into a little more consideration.
There is a reason that all the top teams use Ohlins and it isn't sponsorship... Even Rossi/Burgess pay for their Ohlins parts. Ohlins does not give any team or rider anything! I know plenty of suspension companies that will give an AMA, BSB or WSBK rider one of their shocks if they will just use it.
Honda also owns Showa suspension so using Ohlins suspension on any Honda branded bike is quite the no-no in the world of HRC/HGA, but look at what the Factory top level Honda MotoGP just switched to at the end of this season. Yup Turdrosa & Dovi are both running Ohlins now because the Showa factory kit is just not cutting it at that level of riding. Been that way for years too back in about 2000 or 2001 the AMA 600SS Championship came down to the very last race of the season and the Honda team pulled out the Showa internals in their forks & replaced them with Ohlins. It caused quite a stir cause again Honda owns Showa & at the time Yamaha owned Ohlins, but when asked specifically about the change the crew chief replied when it comes down to the championship being this close you do what you have to do to win.
Back in 05 the AMA Honda team tested the Ohlins stuff at Daytona and went 1-1.5 seconds faster per lap. Do you know how much 1 second a lap is at that level of racing? That's the difference between being on the podium versus being outside the Top 10... Unfortunately that was the last year that Honda was still leasing the racebikes from HRC and were not allowed to run the Ohlins during the season. The next year the AMA team decided to build their own bikes and used Ohlins.
Johnny Rea was also sucking hind tit in WSBK this last year until Ten Kate switched to Ohlins suspension & then all the sudden he was a contender.
I've tested every single brand of suspension you can think of up to and including unobtanium factory parts and while there are a lot of good products out there nobody beats Ohlins for performance, simplicity & value. You simply bolt the shock on, set the sag & go ride! Don't get me wrong Ohlins doesn't always make the best possible shock I mean for the early model FZ1 or the early model SV650 I prefer the Penske over the Ohlins, but by far and large Ohlins is the easiest to use and offers much better performance than any other brand. The Ohlins stuff holds its resale better than any other brand as well.
This again goes back to the mere mortals versus the racers. For example, I don't believe that there is any reason to track lap times unless you can run near/at the front of the advanced group. And, even amongst those folks, it is common that 1/2 or more of the instructors are faster than all but 1-2 of the fastest folks in that group.
So, again, us day to day folks can find tremendous benefit from either of these options (and it is unlikely that we could tell the difference in real numbers).
So, buy the one you "like" better, knowing that either one can carry you through years of improvement (and maybe always be beyond your "skill" level to maximize).
This again goes back to the mere mortals versus the racers. For example, I don't believe that there is any reason to track lap times unless you can run near/at the front of the advanced group. And, even amongst those folks, it is common that 1/2 or more of the instructors are faster than all but 1-2 of the fastest folks in that group.
So, again, us day to day folks can find tremendous benefit from either of these options (and it is unlikely that we could tell the difference in real numbers).
So, buy the one you "like" better, knowing that either one can carry you through years of improvement (and maybe always be beyond your "skill" level to maximize).
You are forgetting the most important part which by all rights you of all people should be the most in tune with. The mental aspect of riding! Confidence is EVERYTHING in this sport. Knowing you have the best possible product underneath of you gives you that extra confidence. It doesn't matter whether you can use it or not. Every weekend races are both won & lost on the track because equally skilled riders show up on the grid and one has obviously better equipment whether it is tires, suspension or whatever. When you have the slightest doubt in the back of your mind that you don't have the best possible equipment supporting you then that does factor in the way you ride the bike.
You are forgetting the most important part which by all rights you of all people should be the most in tune with. The mental aspect of riding! Confidence is EVERYTHING in this sport. Knowing you have the best possible product underneath of you gives you that extra confidence. It doesn't matter whether you can use it or not. Every weekend races are both won & lost on the track because equally skilled riders show up on the grid and one has obviously better equipment whether it is tires, suspension or whatever. When you have the slightest doubt in the back of your mind that you don't have the best possible equipment supporting you then that does factor in the way you ride the bike.
I'm not forgetting that at all. Because, as I have mentioned earlier, my Penske provides me a level of riding in which I can't come anywhere near finding its limits (which I believe would be true for all but successful racers). I ride near/at the front of the intermediate group (because I don't have the guts, and likely the skills, to ride successfully with the advanced group). So, although one might be better than the other, both will provide a level of confidence that most riders will never exceed. I think what you are talking about is far more likely with tires, because most riders can't exceed the modern tires (exceed with skill, versus crashing), yet they believe one tire is great and the other is crap. Therefore, giving them a mental advantage that has no basis in reality.
Sounds like you already made up your mind. But I liked the logic of either penske or ohlins you can't go wrong. Get the one that has the best suport for YOU.
I got a penske based of the heresay that Ohlins is more off the shelf unless you have a really good connection or really good dealer. penske is costom made as they are ordered. That said I think any company has a bit of a cookie cutter setup for a given weight and stated use. Until you get one, and use it there is no way to be more specific.
I'll have the opertunity this season though to ride a 600rr with Ohilins suspension and my own bike with traxxion front/penske rear. i can't wait to feel the diference. Actually, I cant wait to find out if I'm good enough to feel a diffenence.
I got a penske based of the heresay that Ohlins is more off the shelf unless you have a really good connection or really good dealer. penske is costom made as they are ordered. That said I think any company has a bit of a cookie cutter setup for a given weight and stated use. Until you get one, and use it there is no way to be more specific.
I'm certainly not going to knock your purchase of a Penske product, but I do have to ask about your statement above...
The Penske is custom made to what? A standard build sheet for a particular make/model? Do you really think they custom valve each shock to the needs of each rider as they build it? LOL
Ohlins are off the shelf. The factory in Sweden is filled with engineers that collectively know more about motorcycle suspension dynamics than pretty much all the other suspension companies in the world put together. They can prototype a shock based on linkage designs, swingarm length and travel that is way better than the stock shock without even fitting it up to the bike. This is long before a test rider gets to do development work to fine tune it further. An Ohlins shock comes out of the box ready to work for the vast majority of riders. I mean unless you are 10 seconds off a national lap record at any given track all you have to do is bolt the shock on, set the sag & go ride. It is that simple. Unlike some other brands with an Ohlins you do not need a personal suspension tuner to help you set the bike up after the purchase.
I've said it before look at the last half a dozen World Superbike Championships. What brand of suspension are those champions riding on? Ohlins... Not good enough for you? How about the pinnacle of two wheeled racing the MotoGP class, what is Rossi winning on? Ohlins... They can run any brand of suspension they want in both of those series and the choose Ohlins. Honda Japan (HGA) who owns SHOWA Suspension has changed all their Factory HRC MotoGP bikes to Ohlins this season which is an unprecedented occurrence as until recently Ohlins was owned by Yamaha and for Honda to deviate & use any other brand than what they own & manufacture is just unheard of, but more importantly is a testament to how good the Ohlins stuff really is. Additionally unlike other brands who will GIVE their parts away to any National Level rider that will use them just to get the marketing exposure, Ohlins doesn't give away ANY parts. Even Rossi pays for his Ohlins products.
I'm sure I didn't spell it right but that is why I put "hersay" in there. Its what I was told when I was more wet behind the ears. It may be completely bogus but considering the higher volume Ohlins deals with and all the stuff they sell to OEMs it seemed reasonable. However, now I do believe Penske and Ohlins is off the shelf to some degree. Not just one specific brand. They can't custom valve to a specific rider until after that rider has bought a shock and used it and can give useful feed back. until that point the rider just has to use whatever generic setup shock company X recomends for their weight/bike/stated use.
As for the WSB/motoGP. For what they pay for there stuff I'd guess it is not what joe schmow can buy. Even accomplished amature racer so and so. I agree Ohlin's is the best if you are the best rider. But at track day level (and my level of racing) I think both are a good choice. I've heard many times that Penske gives a broader range of adjustment and is easy to swap springs, making it "better". But Ohlins has finner adjustment giving a rider the ability to get the setup just right. Which would make Ohlins better.
It depends on what the purchaser wants. And if above adjustment stuff is true. Like I said. I don't have any experience with Ohlins. But this summer I should be getting it and I can't wait.
I will not take offence to any corrections anyone as to make. But I will question them in search of more knowlege.
Some of the Ohlins suspension stuff especially what is used in those premier classes is definitely one-off prototypes purpose built stuff that you cannot purchase regardless of how much money you have, but believe it or not a lot of that technology is available if you have the pocketbook and what's even more amazing to learn is how much of it is the exact same thing I can sell you right now off my shelf.
Bayliss's WSBK Ducati literally had the exact same model of forks & shock I can sell to anyone right this second with only minor valving changes internally.
^ i read that last night, they said Hagas duc from last year had the same suspension as the stock 1098R, but the guy did say they modified the internals slightly, but essentially, the bike haga rode you and i could buy the exact same setup.
the hardest and most difficult part to acquire would be the electronics, but everything else is either stock, or available through your dealer, like the 2 ring pistons vs the stock 3 ring. they have to be available, for homologation purposes.
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...I'm slowly prepping the FZ...Goin to VIR with NESBA most likely next year since they are reasonably priced
kinda funny i was set on shocks, wanting ohlins or one of the others, but ended up with forks with ohlins internals and a penske shock. who wouldve thought. lol i cant wait to get them.
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Originally Posted by McCrimmon
...I'm slowly prepping the FZ...Goin to VIR with NESBA most likely next year since they are reasonably priced
Some of the Ohlins suspension stuff especially what is used in those premier classes is definitely one-off prototypes purpose built stuff that you cannot purchase regardless of how much money you have, but believe it or not a lot of that technology is available if you have the pocketbook and what's even more amazing to learn is how much of it is the exact same thing I can sell you right now off my shelf.
Bayliss's WSBK Ducati literally had the exact same model of forks & shock I can sell to anyone right this second with only minor valving changes internally.
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